Unreported substitute

[kycat1]

Has the rule on unreported substitute changed a little in the past few years? I have an older case book that I still refer to a lot and it says something different than the rule book does now. Rule book says if an unreported sub bats and reaches 1st safely and the defense reports the unreported sub to the ump before the next pitch, then all runners return to the original bases, the unreported sub is disqualified and is also called out! This is rule 4-6,C,3Now, according to the older case book, all the plays that discribe the same actions does have the player disqualified, but does not call the unreported sub out, but says to have a legal player bat assuming the existing count.
Any thoughts on when this changed???

[MNBlue]

To which softball code are you referring?

I believe that in your 'older case book' reference, you are referring to an unreported sub that has not completed an at bat, but your rule book referrence is referring to an unreported sub that has completed an at bat and reached base safely. Two different situations.

[kycat1]

This is in the ASA casebook from 2001.
It says that after B1 has batted and reached 1st base and is reported before the next pitch, remove B1 from 1st base and put in a legal sub that assumes the batting position and assumes the last count on the batter before B1 hit the ball. No out is recorded on B1.

[noobie]

Originally Posted by kycat1

This is in the ASA casebook from 2001.
It says that after B1 has batted and reached 1st base and is reported before the next pitch, remove B1 from 1st base and put in a legal sub that assumes the batting position and assumes the last count on the batter before B1 hit the ball. No out is recorded on B1.

Play 4.6-10 in the 2005-2006 Casebook is the closest thing to this, but it's a lot more complex ... more runners, missed base, more corrections to make, followed by a dead ball appeal after the corrections (sheesh!). But the batter was still an unreported sub.

Bottom line, the unreported sub batter is DQ'd and OUT because the defense objected before the next pitch was thrown.

You might want to invest in a new Casebook. I can't tell you when the rule changed, but it was before 2005