No Problem, But Your Call

[whiskers_ump]

R1 on 1B, 1 out, very wind. Batter hits a towering fly ball that has started
in foul ground about 1 foot from 1B bag. R1 holding bag, runners "passes" 1B bag,
F3 miss judges the very high fly and the ball lands and I mean sticks (no movement)
in fair ground. There is offensive coach at 1st. R1 holds the bag, BR sees this and
is about one step from entering the dugout, but not in it, when you hear, "time"
from PU. No tags have been made, ball is just being retrived by F4. At
this point BR enters DO.

Your Fix.

[tcannizzo]

You mean fix the grammar?

[whiskers_ump]

If that is all you can do, Yes.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Oh, happy day ..., oh happy day.

Missing is a statement if PU also called "foul ball", before calling "time". I think that matters.

If PU called it foul, it is foul. Until and unless someone (assumably offensive coach) asks for an explanation of that call, and possibily protests the misapplication of that rule. Outside a protest, if it is called foul, foul ball stands (cannot unring that bell).

If it wasn't called foul, the next unringable bell is "time". The BR cannot be out; was not put out, nor left the field of play. Then, since we have a fair ball, that means we must award BR first base, and that forces us to award R1 second base. By your description, R1 was not passed (we have two runners on 1B), so let's not even go there.

Now, the last possible result is the alternate to #1. Foul ball was called, PU acknowledges rule is misapplied, and call cannot stand. Then, the result is the same as if foul was not declared; the only possible fix is award BR first, and force R1 to second.

Final action is to record the defensive coach ejections ; no way they all survive this one. Oh, and call for a police escort home.

[Mike Walsh]

Originally posted by AtlUmpSteve
Oh, happy day ..., oh happy day.

Missing is a statement if PU also called "foul ball", before calling "time". I think that matters.

If PU called it foul, it is foul. Until and unless someone (assumably offensive coach) asks for an explanation of that call, and possibily protests the misapplication of that rule. Outside a protest, if it is called foul, foul ball stands (cannot unring that bell).

If it wasn't called foul, the next unringable bell is "time". The BR cannot be out; was not put out, nor left the field of play. Then, since we have a fair ball, that means we must award BR first base, and that forces us to award R1 second base. By your description, R1 was not passed (we have two runners on 1B), so let's not even go there.

Now, the last possible result is the alternate to #1. Foul ball was called, PU acknowledges rule is misapplied, and call cannot stand. Then, the result is the same as if foul was not declared; the only possible fix is award BR first, and force R1 to second.

Final action is to record the defensive coach ejections ; no way they all survive this one. Oh, and call for a police escort home.

It is hard to follow the situation. Why the statement that there was an offensive coach at first? That's a given. Was there coach interference?

Anyway, the easiest escape might be to declare the B/R out for passing the runner, who never left 1st base. R1 remains at first, no defensive ejections. The offensive coach can probably be kept around, too.

Mike

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
R1 on 1B, 1 out, very wind. Batter hits a towering fly ball that has started
in foul ground about 1 foot from 1B bag. R1 holding bag, runners "passes" 1B bag,
F3 miss judges the very high fly and the ball lands and I mean sticks (no movement)
in fair ground. There is offensive coach at 1st. R1 holds the bag, BR sees this and
is about one step from entering the dugout, but not in it, when you hear, "time"
from PU. No tags have been made, ball is just being retrived by F4. At
this point BR enters DO.

Your Fix.

Without reading anything into the scenario given and speaking ASA.

BR is awarded 1B. R1 forced to 2B.

BR did not pass a runner unless there was an attempt to go to 2B and R2 physically passed R1.

Defense isn't going to like it, but this is one you have to eat as this is a DMU

[wadeintothem]

I move to the fence past the 1B dugout out of sight and mind where I usually keep my water, refresh my sunflowers seeds enjoying my beverage, avoid all eye contact, becoming virtually invisible, and allow the PU to fix his mess. In between innings i go nowhere near him either.

[whiskers_ump]

This occured in a tournament game. Pool, where the games count nothing, just
time for players and umpires to do their thing. Two rookie umpires being
looked at. I was one of the vet umpires assigned to watch this game. We got it
all straightened out in the manner most posted. Bell was rung, no outs assested
and runners now on 1B and 2B.

Thanks.

[CecilOne]

OK, what am I missing?

Ball lands fair, fair ball, no bell to unring.
Only one runner, not IFR.
BR passed R1, BR out, or can BR pass 1st w/o passing R1.
AHA, is that the issue?

If out, it doesn't matter where BR goes next or whether in DO.

PU calling time for no reason seems to be the only thing that screws thing up.

[whiskers_ump]

Yes, that and Time being called before an end to play.