Courtesy runner in ITB

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by DTQ_Blue

Ted, I'm looking for what Cecil quoted in B. 2 in a USA document. I see USA 5-11, which is their tie breaker rule, but it doesn't cover B. 2, and doesn't specifically reference a CR for F2.

What Cecil posted as "A" and "B" are from 5-11.

His next 2 bullet points of 2 & 3 may have been copied from some other document.

#2 is certainly true.

#3 is simply a clarification of ITB/TBR

We'll let Cecil weigh in on the source of the latter 2 entries.

[Cecil4]

#2 - a clarification on the USA Softball web site years ago - April 2014:

Play: In the top of the 8th inning, F2, who was the last batter to complete their turn at bat, is placed on 2B. The offense wants to put a Courtesy Runner in to run for F2. The umpires do not allow this because F2 did not bat and reach base safely.
Ruling: The umpires should have allowed F2 to have a Courtesy Runner. As long as F1 and/or F2 batted for themselves in the inning prior to the tie breaker and were the last to complete their turn at bat, they have earned the right to be put on 2B, therefore they can have a Courtesy Runner.

#3 - personal comment

BTW, there is also a rule that said the earning on base aspect excluded a DP or pinch hitter getting on base and then having the P/C as a runner. 8.10.e

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Cecil4

BTW, there is also a rule that said the earning on base aspect excluded a DP or pinch hitter getting on base and then having the P/C as a runner. 8.10.e

This is a little misleading. The DP or PH may not have a CR, but the P/C could be a runner as a legal substitute.

"If the DP bats for the pitcher or catcher and reaches base safely, a courtesy runner is not permitted to run for the Designated Player (DP), or their substitute, including the pitcher or catcher."

[Cecil4]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

This is a little misleading. The DP or PH may not have a CR, but the P/C could be a runner as a legal substitute.

"If the DP bats for the pitcher or catcher and reaches base safely, a courtesy runner is not permitted to run for the Designated Player (DP), or their substitute, including the pitcher or catcher."

I'm not clear about what you mean. Is the rule misleading or my comment?

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Cecil4

I'm not clear about what you mean. Is the rule misleading or my comment?

Your comment: DP or pinch hitter getting on base and then having the P/C as a runner

The pitcher or catcher could run for the DP or a PH as a Flex (P or C) entering as a runner. This would not be a CR situation but a substitution providing all lineup and eligibility rules are followed.