Runner fails to tag - dead ball is called....???

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EricH

Just FYI, from July 2010 rules clarifications:



"(T)he umpire should first allow the runner to complete (his) base running responsibilities" before calling dead ball.

This is not worded properly. By definition, the ball is dead the moment it leaves play, not when the umpire makes such a declaration.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

This is not worded properly. By definition, the ball is dead the moment it leaves play, not when the umpire makes such a declaration.

From one of my earlier posts:

Ruling: Once the ball enters dead ball territory the umpire should first allow the runner to complete their base running responsibilities. The umpire should hesitate to see if the runner is going to retouch 1B. Then the umpire should call dead ball....

As I said, the issue is when the umpire declares the ball dead, not when the ball goes out of play.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EricH

From one of my earlier posts:



As I said, the issue is when the umpire declares the ball dead, not when the ball goes out of play.

Point is the umpire does not determine when the ball becomes dead, the rule does. Waiting for an umpire to open his mouth does not delay the status of the ball. As previously noted, it is poorly worded

Ruling: Base runners should always be given the opportunity to return and touch a base missed or left too soon when the ball becomes dead

[EricH]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Waiting for an umpire to open his mouth does not delay the status of the ball.

Again, the purpose is for the umpire to delay his declaration so that the runners can complete their base running responsibilities. When the ball became dead does not matter.

And in the situation presented by OP the ball never went out of play. When the umpire opened his mouth was all that mattered.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by EricH

Again, the purpose is for the umpire to delay his declaration so that the runners can complete their base running responsibilities. When the ball became dead does not matter.

The runners can complete their responsibilities, like a base untouched or not tagged, as soon as the ball is dead; or for that matter while it is still live.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

The runners can complete their responsibilities, like a base untouched or not tagged, as soon as the ball is dead; or for that matter while it is still live.

Why are you fighting this? The rules clarification was written to help umpires understand when to declare the ball dead and make subsequent calls so that we do not get into situations like the OP's.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by EricH

Why are you fighting this? The rules clarification was written to help umpires understand when to declare the ball dead and make subsequent calls so that we do not get into situations like the OP's.

Not fighting, my first post on this except teasing Irish.

Just expanding/clarifying. As you said "umpire to delay his declaration so that the runners can "; which means completing running while the ball is dead and waiting for the umpire to announce.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EricH

Why are you fighting this? The rules clarification was written to help umpires understand when to declare the ball dead and make subsequent calls so that we do not get into situations like the OP's.

Probably because he knows better

I'll stand on, and have since 1989, 8.5.G.Exception.2 all day long.