Nhfs - boo & ibb

[teebob21]

No outs, R1 (who is B5) on 1B. B7 comes to the plate. F1 throws 1 pitch for a strike; R1 steals 2B safely. With an 0-1 count, defensive HC asks for Time and approaches the PU. DHC tells PU he wants to intentionally walk B7...and then he stands right next to the PU until B7 touches 1B. DHC immediately appeals that B7 is BOO, and wants R1 returned to 1B.

Ruling: B6 is out. B7 returns to the plate with no count, and R1 remains at 2B. Was this properly officiated?

Bonus Third World Play question: Does the coach's IBB request count as a pitch, legal or illegal for the purposes of a BOO appeal (or any appeal for that matter)? Edited to add: Say B7 reaches, and then DHC wants to IBB B8. No pitches have been thrown; can B7's BOO still be appealed? I say no.

[RKBUmp]

Any action that occurred before the boo was appealed and not a result of the incorrect batter putting the ball into play stands. So yes, the runner stays at 2nd.

[CecilOne]

How the incorrect batter reached base does not matter.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Bonus Third World Play question: Does the coach's IBB request count as a pitch, legal or illegal for the purposes of a BOO appeal (or any appeal for that matter)? Edited to add: Say B7 reaches, and then DHC wants to IBB B8. No pitches have been thrown; can B7's BOO still be appealed? I say no.

Rare maybe, but not as third world as some of the stuff we see posted!

This is a good question that I've seen raised before without a good answer being given. At what point exactly would the defense lose its right to appeal BOO, given that no pitches are thrown on the IBB?

When the coach requests the IBB? When the umpire grants time to administer it? When the umpire points to first base to issue the walk (heh, heh, heh!)? When the batter actually touches first base? When the next batter enters the batter's box? When a pitch is thrown to the next batter?

[jmkupka]

My guess is, when DC calls time to intentionally walk the batter after the incorrect batter completes her time at bat, he should make the appeal before announcing the IBB.

related issue, though not asked, (at work, no rulebook):

Does OC lose the right to pull the incorrect batter when the intentionally-walked incorrect batter touches 1B?

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Rare maybe, but not as third world as some of the stuff we see posted!

This is a good question that I've seen raised before without a good answer being given. At what point exactly would the defense lose its right to appeal BOO, given that no pitches are thrown on the IBB?

When the coach requests the IBB? When the umpire grants time to administer it? When the umpire points to first base to issue the walk (heh, heh, heh!)? When the batter actually touches first base? When the next batter enters the batter's box? When a pitch is thrown to the next batter?

One would think this question has already been answered. The NFHS rule book also covers slow-pitch where intentional walks without throwing the pitches are the norm. Referring to the 2017 rule book, rule 2-1-4 says an appeal must be made before a) before the next legal or illegal pitch, [...]. Contrast that with the BOO appeal, 7-1-2 Penalty 2, which must be made before the next pitch (legal or illegal), or prior to an intentional base on balls (SP) [...]. "SP" has been deleted from the 2018 book.

Situation: bases loaded. B4 is the proper batter. B5 hits a SAC fly to score R1 (on third). R2 advances to 3rd. Betty Bomber steps into the box and the defense requests an intentional walk. With Betty on 1st, the defense appeals that B5 batted out of order. By 7-1-2 Penalty 2, we deny the appeal. Now the defense appeals that R1 left early. Do you grant the appeal?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

Does OC lose the right to pull the incorrect batter when the intentionally-walked incorrect batter touches 1B?

I would think the answer to that is yes.

More to the point - does the OC lose the right to pull the incorrect batter and send the correct batter to 1B after the DC requests the IBB?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Altor

I would think the answer to that is yes.

More to the point - does the OC lose the right to pull the incorrect batter and send the correct batter to 1B after the DC requests the IBB?

Incorrect batter cannot be pilled after reaching 1st, in fact,

B becomes a batter-runner when the IBB is awarded.

OC can pull the Batter, not a Batter/Runner.

[Manny A]

I guess I'm a little slow today, but why in the world would the defensive head coach direct that the current batter be walked intentionally with no pitches (WIWNP), and then appeal that the batter before her batted out of order? I would just look at the coach and say, "Sorry, coach, but you should've appealed it before you walked the next batter intentionally."

Now here's the kicker. By asking that the current batter be WIWNP, that should legitimize the previous improper batter who is on base. By legitimizing her, then the batter who was WIWNP may not be the proper batter. So by directing that she be WIWNP, the coach then has the possibility of appealing that she was out of order, correct?

Say #6 bats in place of #4 and singles. The defensive head coach comes out when he sees that #4 is coming to the plate. She's a big hitter, as is #5 who would come up after #4. So he asks the PU to WIWNP #4, and #4 goes to first. That should legitimize #6's at-bat, so he appeals. #4 is taken off the bases, #6 is returned to first, #7, who became the proper batter when #6 is legitimized, is ruled out, and the next batter is #8.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

B becomes a batter-runner when the IBB is awarded.

Curious technicality question. If a batter is walked intentionally, wouldn't they go from being a batter directly to being a runner? Since the IBB is done during a suspension of play, that player never gets to be a BR.

Although I'll say that I like the USA definition of BR better than NFHS.