NCAA Softball 2 Out indicator

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Might want to check your USA umpire manual.

Where?

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Where?

I was thinking the same thing. Not sure what Irish is suggesting that I review...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by teebob21

I was thinking the same thing. Not sure what Irish is suggesting that I review...

Read the post I cited and then check to see what the USA umpire's manual has for 1st & 2nd with two outs assigned responsibility and see if Teebob's comment is true.

Yeah, this is a pop quiz

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Read the post I cited and then check to see what the USA umpire's manual has for 1st & 2nd with two outs assigned responsibility and see if Teebob's comment is true.

Yeah, this is a pop quiz

Ok, I'll bite:

Originally Posted by teebob21 Speaking ASA/NFHS, the time play signal isn't even an official thing.

Correct, not listed in official signals (pp 30 -36)

PU responsibilities don't change:

Responsibilities do not change with the number of outs, as mechanics are listed by runners on base without the number of outs as a qualifier.

we've still got primary coverage on the play at 3B on the first throw from the outfield in all codes.

Mostly correct. - PU has primary coverage on "lead runner at 3rd." Where I rate this as "mostly" is the choice to use "first throw." The first throw could be the "last runner" into third which belongs to BU.

Unless you are looking at a different page than 68-69 (FP) or 78 (SP), he is correct (with slight wording modification).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Ok, I'll bite:


Correct, not listed in official signals (pp 30 -36)




Responsibilities do not change with the number of outs, as mechanics are listed by runners on base without the number of outs as a qualifier.



Mostly correct. - PU has primary coverage on "lead runner at 3rd." Where I rate this as "mostly" is the choice to use "first throw." The first throw could be the "last runner" into third which belongs to BU.

Unless you are looking at a different page than 68-69 (FP) or 78 (SP), he is correct (with slight wording modification).

The lead runner wasn't going to 3rd, was she?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The lead runner wasn't going to 3rd, was she?

Yes, seems to be a "hole" in the mechanic. However, the BU's "last runner" statement makes the "middle" runner (the runner starting on first base) belonging to the PU, unless:

There are four times, after the ball has been batted that a base
umpire will make a call at 3B:
1. On the Batter-Runner on a triple with no runners on base.
2. On the last runner into 3B.
3. On a lone runner on a fly ball advancement.
4. On any return throw from the plate area or cut-off by a player.
p.57

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

4. On any return throw from the plate area or cut-off by a player.

Which is why I've always been taught that an initial play at 3B on the first throw from the outfield belongs to the PU, unless that play is made on the B/R.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Yes, seems to be a "hole" in the mechanic. However, the BU's "last runner" statement makes the "middle" runner (the runner starting on first base) belonging to the PU, unless:

There are four times, after the ball has been batted that a base
umpire will make a call at 3B:
1. On the Batter-Runner on a triple with no runners on base.
2. On the last runner into 3B.
3. On a lone runner on a fly ball advancement.
4. On any return throw from the plate area or cut-off by a player.

Yeah, never cared for this set of absolutes. I am a believer in prioritizing when necessary. I preferred the previous regime's mechanic that the PU has the lead runner and the BU has the rest. That demonstrated the importance they placed on runner closest to the plate.

That said, the field isn't that big for this to be that much of an issue.