USA change 2 - time limits

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

The wording of the time limit rule is ambiguous as to whether the tie breakers starts with the inning played by rule as the post-time-limit "additional" inning or the inning following that.
Example, time limit expires in the 4th. Finish that inning, then play a 5th inning as an "additional" inning. If tied after 4, does the tie breaker start with the 5th?

Yes, I know most pool play does not require a winner, but it's in the book, so go with it.

Rule 5, Section 10: Junior Olympic Fast Pitch Classifications of Play, for Pool Play and Elimination Play with a time limit, the time limit will be 1-Hour and 20 minutes and finish the inning and then play one more complete inning, or half inning if the home team is ahead.

Comment: Changes the time limit for all Junior Olympic Fast Pitch Classification of Play, Pool Play and Elimination Play, that uses a time limit. It changes it from 1 hour 40 minutes finish the inning to 1 hour 20 minutes finish the inning and play another inning or 1/2 inning if the home team is ahead.

Time does not expire until the end of the "and then play one more ... inning", so, unfortunately, the game has not ended in a tie until after that!

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Time does not expire until the end of the "and then play one more ... inning", so, unfortunately, the game has not ended in a tie until after that!

"the time limit will be 1-Hour and 20 minutes "

It seems to me that "time" has expired after the 1 + 20, so the "additional" inning should use the tie breaker rule, if needed.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

"the time limit will be 1-Hour and 20 minutes "

It seems to me that "time" has expired after the 1 + 20, so the "additional" inning should use the tie breaker rule, if needed.

No period there...

"the time limit will be 1-Hour and 20 minutes and finish the inning and then play one more complete inning, or half inning if the home team is ahead" THEN the period!

What you have quoted would be a drop dead clock!

[IRISHMAFIA]

I think y'all need to get the word "additional" out of your head. It is NOT an additional inning, it is the next inning, nothing more.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I think y'all need to get the word "additional" out of your head. It is NOT an additional inning, it is the next inning, nothing more.

Piggyback thought; think "regulation".

A regulation game is when ......

A) 7 innings with a team ahead,
B) If tied after 7 innings, the tiebreaker rule applies,
C) A called game after 5 innings, etc.,
D) When a time limit has FULLY expired with a team ahead,
E) If tied after time limit has expired, the tiebreaker rule applies.

To be considered regulation as in "D", there must be one full regulation inning after 80 minutes. The inning AFTER THAT would be a tiebreaker inning, as in "E".

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Piggyback thought; think "regulation".

A regulation game is when ......

A) 7 innings with a team ahead,
B) If tied after 7 innings, the tiebreaker rule applies,
C) A called game after 5 innings, etc.,
D) When a time limit has FULLY expired with a team ahead,
E) If tied after time limit has expired, the tiebreaker rule applies.

To be considered regulation as in "D", there must be one full regulation inning after 80 minutes. The inning AFTER THAT would be a tiebreaker inning, as in "E".

It seems to me the "time limit" has expired after the 1+20, rather then an inning later. The purpose of the tie breaker rule and the purpose of reducing the time limit by 20 minutes is to get a win/lose result expeditiously.

I don't see "fully" in the rule or any specific like the time limit has expired and the additional inning completed, although I wonder if "still tied" means that.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

It seems to me the "time limit" has expired after the 1+20, rather then an inning later. The purpose of the tie breaker rule and the purpose of reducing the time limit by 20 minutes is to get a win/lose result expeditiously.

I don't see "fully" in the rule or any specific like the time limit has expired and the additional inning completed, although I wonder if "still tied" means that.

I guess I don't understand your confusion.

In the old rule, time expires after x-time, complete the inning.
In the new rule, time expires after x-time, complete the inning and the next.

Now, what happens if time expires at the exact instant the 3rd out is recorded? Do you play one inning or two?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

It seems to me the "time limit" has expired after the 1+20, rather than an inning later. The purpose of the tie breaker rule and the purpose of reducing the time limit by 20 minutes is to get a win/lose result expeditiously.
I don't see "fully" in the rule or any specific like the time limit has expired and the additional inning completed, although I wonder if "still tied" means that.

There are no clarifications posted yet.
The rule literally says "tied after the time limit expires".
Does the sequence of sentences and the word "still" control the application of the rule?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I think y'all need to get the word "additional" out of your head. It is NOT an additional inning, it is the next inning, nothing more.

Using that word to be clear about which inning is meant, as it is identified in the book.