Foul tip

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

not me, Mike... mostly likely, ball/mitt/mask, 3 ft up in the air, gathered in. Easy call, foul tip.

My man is saying nope, that's a foul ball.

Very simple: your man is wrong. This is a foul tip in every softball (and baseball, for that matter) organization that I know of. Your man is essentially requiring that the batted ball only touch the glove/mitt/hand and nothing else.

If your man is an NCAA umpire who has access to the NCAA Central Hub in Arbiter, tell him to look up the "Ask Dee" rule interpretations document. What Bob posted above is in there in black and white.

[jmkupka]

Thanks guys, just found it myself. Will bring it to his attention next time around.

[SWFLguy]

Funny that I stopped in to check this place. Back when I was UIC in central NY, I was involved in a protest in men's fast pitch on this very topic. Umpire making the call called it a foul ball and a runner was put out. The offended team's manager was a big wig with the telephone company and he set up a 3 way conference call with Tommy Mason, then head of ASA umpires. That was interesting unto itself. The on field decision was corrected.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SWFLguy

Funny that I stopped in to check this place. Back when I was UIC in central NY, I was involved in a protest in men's fast pitch on this very topic. Umpire making the call called it a foul ball and a runner was put out. The offended team's manager was a big wig with the telephone company and he set up a 3 way conference call with Tommy Mason, then head of ASA umpires. That was interesting unto itself. The on field decision was corrected.

That is screwed up one way or the other since you cannot put a runner out on a foul ball (unless on a possible INT call).

I'm surprised you found Tom at home