Foul tip
Joining a new NCAA crew, attending mandatory rules clinic, discussing foul tips...
Please verify this for me. Sharp and direct from bat to F2's mitt. Skips off tip of F2's mitt, bounces off F2's mask, up in the air, juggled for 1/2 hour, finally corralled in and secured by F2. Ball never touches another person or thing except F2. Still foul tip, live ball? |
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Actually (and unfortunately for me), the AR doesn't mention the ball subsequently hitting anything; only the mitt, then going straight up in the air. That's what is causing the problem.
The interp I've always known (from this forum), is that it can rattle around all of F2's equipment, as long as it touched the mitt first. The boss didn't want to hear it, and I'm in no position yet to debate him on it. |
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RULING: The ruling on the first and second would be foul tip; strike three. The ruling on three and four would be foul ball because in 3) the first contact was not with the catcher’s hand or glove and in 4) the catcher was assisted by the umpire in completing the catch. |
Bob, I'd love to know where that is in the 2016/2017 book... this is what I'm getting for that citation:
A.R.11.6.1: A ball travels directly from the bat, in a straight line, to the glove or bare hand and is deflected straight up into the air. RULING: If the catcher then legally catches the ball, it is a foul tip. If it is not caught unassisted by the catcher or is touched. Please let me know, so I have something to show... |
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This sounds like someone is trying to overthink the rules which only makes a mess of something relatively simple.
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not me, Mike... mostly likely, ball/mitt/mask, 3 ft up in the air, gathered in. Easy call, foul tip.
My man is saying nope, that's a foul ball. |
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If your man is an NCAA umpire who has access to the NCAA Central Hub in Arbiter, tell him to look up the "Ask Dee" rule interpretations document. What Bob posted above is in there in black and white. |
Thanks guys, just found it myself. Will bring it to his attention next time around.
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Funny that I stopped in to check this place. Back when I was UIC in central NY, I was involved in a protest in men's fast pitch on this very topic. Umpire making the call called it a foul ball and a runner was put out. The offended team's manager was a big wig with the telephone company and he set up a 3 way conference call with Tommy Mason, then head of ASA umpires. That was interesting unto itself. The on field decision was corrected.
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