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Calling this a foul ball is inviting a protest. A ball that stops (settles) over fair territory is, by definition, fair. Any contact with the ball by the BR is an out, batter's boxes or not. The definition of a foul ball (subsection F) requires that the batted ball touches the batter or the bat a second time. A stationary ball can't make contact with anything. As has been posted previously, the judgment on this play is did the ball hit the player (ball>>>player) or did the player hit the ball (player>>>ball). Other sports have the word "impetus" in their rulebook verbiage. That concept applies here as well, just as it does in a batted ball being hit a second time.
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Then again usually things happen so fast that it is hardly ever a stationary ball that is struck by the batter but is a bang-bang situation. In any case calling a ball foul is something that cannot be protested Last edited by MT 73; Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 01:14am. |
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Let's reduce the judgement factor (which I think is a cop-out to not have to enforce this rule)
Let's say the situation where, like above, the ball goes straight down, and dies in the soft powder, up inside the BB (fair territory). Batter and F2 stand there (they're young, think its foul). You look down, see it's plainly up in the fair corner of the BB. Coach yells "Run!", and she kicks it on the way out. What's your call gonna be? |
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It would have to be well up in the box for me to deem it a fair ball and if so I would call her out. But in 15 years of umpiring that has never happened. What I am referring to is a bang bang contact--batter hits ball, ball then hits batter--or batter runs into the ball - as she is starting to first but has not yet left the box. In this situation--which has occurred to me dozens of times --I am not going to take a mental yardstick and decide if the ball was in the fair or foul side of the box. I am killing the action and calling it foul. This is how I was taught and some of my clinicians have been Major and Minor league umpires--one of whom was Justin Klemm. And unless softball is radically different in this rule from baseball---which I doubt--then I will stick with their advice. Last edited by MT 73; Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 07:48am. |
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A ball can be fair by 6 feet but if the umpire calls it foul then it is foul. And if I say the ball was on the foul part of the box then good luck protesting that. Last edited by MT 73; Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 07:48am. |
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So you would lie to sell a call?
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Now, THAT is horseshit! The box is irrelevant to fair or foul, so where it is in the box means absolutely nothing.
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So basically you are the umpire I encountered on Saturday. You know the rule, but you've decided to call that a foul for the rest of your career? That's basically what you're saying. |
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In 15 years this has never been an issue. End of discussion. |
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You need to understand the difference between the two scenarios, because they are fundamentally different.
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