Offensive Time Out

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Irish, Why not grant the time out and charge it?

The coach used their conference and would be circumventing the rules using an active runner to pass along communication. If I charge a conference, the rule says the manager or team rep is ejected. I'd rather prevent that if possible by not permitting it to occur.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The coach used their conference and would be circumventing the rules using an active runner to pass along communication. If I charge a conference, the rule says the manager or team rep is ejected. I'd rather prevent that if possible by not permitting it to occur.

Second scenario:
"Scenario: R1 and R3 on base. The offense has not used a conference this inning. R1 keeps missing her signs. The 3rd base coach tells R3 to call time and go tell R1 what's going on. R3 does so, and is granted time (rightly or wrongly). She leaves her position to talk to R1."

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Second scenario:
"Scenario: R1 and R3 on base. The offense has not used a conference this inning. R1 keeps missing her signs. The 3rd base coach tells R3 to call time and go tell R1 what's going on. R3 does so, and is granted time (rightly or wrongly). She leaves her position to talk to R1."

If there was a conference available, why would the coach send a runner to deliver a message?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If there was a conference available, why would the coach send a runner to deliver a message?

Because he wanted to use his/her conference for something else? Who knows what these coaches think sometimes.

The rules state that when a catcher comes over to the dugout to get advice before going to the pitcher to talk to her, that this would be a defensive-charged conference. I don't see any difference between that and the runner relaying coaching advice to another runner.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by Manny A

The rules state that when a catcher comes over to the dugout to get advice before going to the pitcher to talk to her, that this would be a defensive-charged conference. I don't see any difference between that and the runner relaying coaching advice to another runner.

Where can I find this in USA and/or NFHS?

Thanx.

[RKBUmp]

2007 ASA case book play 1-29. It was actually a charged conference the moment the catcher called time and approached to dugout to speak with the coach.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

2007 ASA case book play 1-29. It was actually a charged conference the moment the catcher called time and approached to dugout to speak with the coach.

I did read the case book play. The reference to 5-7-B is a little open to interpretation. RS #9 is much clearer, IMO.

If F1 has the ball in the circle, and F2, without requesting time, simply runs over to the closest part of the dugout to ask the coach something, is it a charged conference? There would be no violation of the pitcher's 20-second rule.