Courtesy Runner/Substition clarification

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Sioux23

The following situation happened in an ASA 35+ State Tournament. One courtesy runner allowed per inning which can be any player on the roster(courtesy runner can be in the line-up or it can be an eligible sub). Team has 12 players and they are batting 11. Tie game, bottom of 7th. Batter leads off inning with a hit down the line and hobbles into 2nd base. Team elects to use a courtesy runner for him. The next batter is intentionally walked. The 3rd batter hits into a double play and the lead runner moves to 3rd. The next 2 batters are intentionally walked to load the bases which brings up the player who is courtesy running. At this point the team batting tries to substitute their bench player who has not played yet to into the game and bat in that position. The other team complains and after a long discussion which eventually involves the UIC it is decided that the courtesy runner must come off the base and it is an out and the substitute is not allowed to enter the game for either the courtesy runner or the original lead-off hitter? This didn't seem like the correct interpretation? Anyone one have any thoughts or insight? I know that if the courtesy runner had been injured going from 2nd to 3rd that a substitute would have been allowed and the original hitter could have gone back to 3rd and the substitute allowed for the injured player. So does this really become a timing situation? The 2 batters intentionally walked after the double play were done so in an informal manner(i.e., the manager said we will walk the next 2 batters)....so there really wasn't an opportunity to call time in between the first and second batter to call time and announce what would have been a legal substitution for the on deck batter at the time.

Not even worth a discussion

Rule 8 9.C.2 specifically states that if a courtesy runner's turn at bat comes when that player is on base, s/he shall be removed from the base, ruled out and take their turn at bat.

There are no exceptions to this rule

[fitzpats]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Not even worth a discussion

Rule 8 9.C.2 specifically states that if a courtesy runner's turn at bat comes when that player is on base, s/he shall be removed from the base, ruled out and take their turn at bat.

There are no exceptions to this rule

Couldn't the offensive team have substituted the eligible sub for the current batting spot. This would render the courtesy runner to be "benched" but was still eligible to run as any person on the roster, including substitutes, could be the courtesy runner. While the courtesy runner's spot did come up to bat, why wouldn't a substitution negate the out? In theory, the runner on third is not the courtesy runner, but the original hitter, and the person coming to bat is on the bench. A substitution would keep that hitter on the bench.

[Sioux23]

Originally Posted by fitzpats

Couldn't the offensive team have substituted the eligible sub for the current batting spot. This would render the courtesy runner to be "benched" but was still eligible to run as any person on the roster, including substitutes, could be the courtesy runner. While the courtesy runner's spot did come up to bat, why wouldn't a substitution negate the out? In theory, the runner on third is not the courtesy runner, but the original hitter, and the person coming to bat is on the bench. A substitution would keep that hitter on the bench.

we did have a sub available and could have called time and entered the substitute into the batting order before the 2nd walk was issued(this wasn't our plan as we believed we could use our substitute whenever) but the two intentional walks were handled casually and informally and treated as 1 event without either player actually coming to the plate so even if we had wanted to we would not have had the opportunity to make the substitution legally. .....once the 2nd intentional walk was completed was when the courtesy runners official at bat begins so he had to come off of 3rd base which created the 3rd out of the inning. If we had called time after the first intentional walk and substituted for the now on-deck courtesy runner or even for the original batter who was being ran for I believe we would have been fine....some lessons are learned the hard way.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by fitzpats

Couldn't the offensive team have substituted the eligible sub for the current batting spot. This would render the courtesy runner to be "benched" but was still eligible to run as any person on the roster, including substitutes, could be the courtesy runner. While the courtesy runner's spot did come up to bat, why wouldn't a substitution negate the out? In theory, the runner on third is not the courtesy runner, but the original hitter, and the person coming to bat is on the bench. A substitution would keep that hitter on the bench.

As noted:

There are no exceptions to this rule

[Altor]

I'm curious about the ruling if Sioux23 had sent the batter after the CR to 2nd and the batter after him/her to 1st.

Too late to appeal BOO?