Is "go out, stay out" always cast in concrete?

[AtlUmpSteve]

So, I pregame a scenario in 3 man that addresses Andy's #2. I'm +1 on the OP response to wait until asked, UNLESS U3 used my suggested "variation".

Whenever an umpire is in B in 3 man, there is the possibility of a ball to center where F8 is coming straight in; and a ball dropping can create a quick force, or a shoestring catch can create a snap throw to 2nd. In many cases, no one else can reasonably make the call.

My pregame is to say this play only, F8 charging; ball either side, no issue, chase. I ask my base umpires on this play only to open up, and show the crew a stop sign hand trailing. That says, "I've got trap/catch, AND I'm pivoting with a throw, and I've got the snap throw to 2nd.

Yes, to those that ask, I am not pre-gaming a variation from approved mechanics; I am bringing to the attention of my crew a game situation that might (should) be addressed in that moment.

That said, I think that covers a hole in the standard; and maybe could have helped in OP, had it been pre-gamed as a possibility.

But that's just me, not anything that changes the book.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

So, I pregame a scenario in 3 man that addresses Andy's #2. I'm +1 on the OP response to wait until asked, UNLESS U3 used my suggested "variation".

Whenever an umpire is in B in 3 man, there is the possibility of a ball to center where F8 is coming straight in; and a ball dropping can create a quick force, or a shoestring catch can create a snap throw to 2nd. In many cases, no one else can reasonably make the call.

My pregame is to say this play only, F8 charging; ball either side, no issue, chase. I ask my base umpires on this play only to open up, and show the crew a stop sign hand trailing. That says, "I've got trap/catch, AND I'm pivoting with a throw, and I've got the snap throw to 2nd.

Yes, to those that ask, I am not pre-gaming a variation from approved mechanics; I am bringing to the attention of my crew a game situation that might (should) be addressed in that moment.

That said, I think that covers a hole in the standard; and maybe could have helped in OP, had it been pre-gamed as a possibility.

But that's just me, not anything that changes the book.

Steve.....when you say "B" in three-umpire are you referring to the times when U1 is off the line OR U3 is off the line? Different positions on the field, but I can see how your coverage of the play in question works from either place.

[AtlUmpSteve]

I am referring to both cases. Whenever an umpire is in the "middle", one of these plays can happen where neither of the other umpires can possibly be credible (U1 starting on first base line foul, or U3 starting on third base line foul, and PU 80' away and straight-lined to the throw to second).