Obstruction ???

[Insane Blue]

ASA C State

R1 on 2nd base B2 hits shot to outfield rounds first and is obstructed going to 2nd base. R1 has rounded 3rd base and is a little more than half way to home when B2 is tagged out at 2nd. Base umpire kills the play having to called dead ball 3 times to finally stop play as the defense was trying to get R1 out at the plate.

What should be done with R1 as she was between 3rd and home when the play was killed? By the way she beat the throw home easily.

[RKBUmp]

Award the base you judge she would have reached.

[BlueDevilRef]

Why was the play killed at all? Seems if he is working a state level game, should know this sitch a little better

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Why was the play killed at all? Seems if he is working a state level game, should know this sitch a little better

Rule?

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Why was the play killed at all? Seems if he is working a state level game, should know this sitch a little better

It's a Delayed Dead Ball for Obstruction once B2 was put you have to kill the play and award accordingly.

[BlueDevilRef]

I'm trying to visualize this in my head. And I don't work ASA so maybe that matters here but I don't think so.

I know it's delayed and I know you award once runner is out but I'm not stopping play for all other action. I'll let it play out and award as needed. It's the only way I've ever seen it done

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I'm trying to visualize this in my head. And I don't work ASA so maybe that matters here but I don't think so.

I know it's delayed and I know you award once runner is out but I'm not stopping play for all other action. I'll let it play out and award as needed. It's the only way I've ever seen it done

What codes do you work???

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I'm trying to visualize this in my head. And I don't work ASA so maybe that matters here but I don't think so.

I know it's delayed and I know you award once runner is out but I'm not stopping play for all other action. I'll let it play out and award as needed. It's the only way I've ever seen it done

Then you're doing it wrong (in either rule set).

The delayed dead becomes actual dead if the obstructed runner is put out before reaching the award base. You then award ALL runners the base they would have achieved absent the obstruction. You do NOT let it play out.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Then you're doing it wrong (in either rule set).



The delayed dead becomes actual dead if the obstructed runner is put out before reaching the award base. You then award ALL runners the base they would have achieved absent the obstruction. You do NOT let it play out.

Yep. Got it. Had it with the previous posts. No need to reiterate what has already been stated

I really do think I have never had it happen. Almost every obs call I can remember/recall ends up in the player obtaining next base or being safe at the previous base.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

... No need to reiterate what has already been stated...

Are you trying to shut down this forum???

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Are you trying to shut down this forum???

That's good for an early morning laugh!

[BlueDevilRef]

Usssa and nfhs. Usssa 8.13 says to award the obstructed runner and any runners affected. It also says ball becomes dead when time is taken to make awards. Says nothing about killing it immediately when obs runner is put out.
I didn't look up nfhs,usssa book is free online and fed isn't

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Usssa and nfhs. Usssa 8.13 says to award the obstructed runner and any runners affected. It also says ball becomes dead when time is taken to make awards. Says nothing about killing it immediately when obs runner is put out.
I didn't look up nfhs,usssa book is free online and fed isn't

Both USSSA and NFHS are delayed dead ball and if the Obstructed runner is put out you kill the ball. Here are the rules and or penalty

USSSA Rule 8 Sec 13.
When a runner is obstructed while advancing or returning to a base, by a fielder who neither has the ball nor is attempting an initial play on a batted ball, it shall be a delayed dead-ball.
EFFECT: If the obstructed runner is put out prior to reaching the base that would have been reached had there not been obstruction, a dead ball is declared and the Umpire shall award the obstructed runner, and each other runner affected by the obstruction, the bases they would have reached, in the Umpire’s judgment, had there been no obstruction.

NFHS Rule 8-4-3

PENALTY: (Art. 3b) When any obstruction occurs (including a rundown), the umpire will signal a delayed dead ball. The ball will remain live.
a. If the obstructed runner is put out prior to reaching the base that would have been reached had there not been obstruction, a dead ball is called and the obstructed runner and each other runner affected by the obstruction will be awarded the base or bases which would have been reached, in the umpire's judgment, had there not been obstruction. An obstructed runner may not be called out between the two bases where she was obstructed.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

Both USSSA and NFHS are delayed dead ball and if the Obstructed runner is put out you kill the ball. Here are the rules and or penalty

USSSA Rule 8 Sec 13.
When a runner is obstructed while advancing or returning to a base, by a fielder who neither has the ball nor is attempting an initial play on a batted ball, it shall be a delayed dead-ball.
EFFECT: If the obstructed runner is put out prior to reaching the base that would have been reached had there not been obstruction, a dead ball is declared and the Umpire shall award the obstructed runner, and each other runner affected by the obstruction, the bases they would have reached, in the Umpire’s judgment, had there been no obstruction.

NFHS Rule 8-4-3

PENALTY: (Art. 3b) When any obstruction occurs (including a rundown), the umpire will signal a delayed dead ball. The ball will remain live.
a. If the obstructed runner is put out prior to reaching the base that would have been reached had there not been obstruction, a dead ball is called and the obstructed runner and each other runner affected by the obstruction will be awarded the base or bases which would have been reached, in the umpire's judgment, had there not been obstruction. An obstructed runner may not be called out between the two bases where she was obstructed.

OK, I was lazy with my post above ( #4 ) .

[BlueDevilRef]

Yep. Understood. I just don't think having to yell dead ball 3x, as noted in the OP, is necessary. Throw out the left arm, state obstruction and award as necessary. I've never been one to overcook calling dead ball. Not saying you are by any means, just always seemed easier to me to award once play was basically dead anyway.