Live or dead?

[Billyball]

My partner called it dead tonight.

[josephrt1]

Hopefully he at least did not call the runner out! Did he think the batter-runner was injured and needed attention?

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Billyball

My partner called it dead tonight.

This still makes no sense. For what reason?

[Billyball]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

This still makes no sense. For what reason?

I did not say anything until between innings. I said "I think that ball was still live" He said "After the runner made a hard right after hitting first and turned into foul territory the play was over..then the ball hit him in the leg and he called dead right away. The runner did not attempt to advance but looked like he might of had it not been called dead.

[CecilOne]

OK, so he blew it, hopefully not the next time.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Billyball

I did not say anything until between innings. I said "I think that ball was still live" He said "After the runner made a hard right after hitting first and turned into foul territory the play was over..then the ball hit him in the leg and he called dead right away. The runner did not attempt to advance but looked like he might of had it not been called dead.

How is the play over?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Billyball

My partner called it dead tonight.

This the same partner that killed a live ball in the other thread?

Someone needs remedial training. In softball, you almost never have to declare the ball dead, as long as it remains in the field of play.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

This the same partner that killed a live ball in the other thread?

Someone needs remedial training. In softball, you almost never have to declare the ball dead, as long as it remains in the field of play.

I believe this is a slow pitch game, which does utilize the dead ball/time more frequently than fast pitch.

The phrase "all action has ceased" is the key for slow pitch.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

I believe this is a slow pitch game, which does utilize the dead ball/time more frequently than fast pitch.



The phrase "all action has ceased" is the key for slow pitch.

2 man in slow pitch? Never seen it. I always called myself and played with one ump too.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

2 man in slow pitch? Never seen it. I always called myself and played with one ump too.

It exists. All of our ASA state slowpitch is two umpires. We have a league in town that insists on two umpires.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

I believe this is a slow pitch game, which does utilize the dead ball/time more frequently than fast pitch.

The phrase "all action has ceased" is the key for slow pitch.

Even if this was slow pitch (despite the 2 umpires), this ball is on the ground, in no one's possession. NO CHANCE do you call dead ball at this point, even in slow pitch.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Even if this was slow pitch (despite the 2 umpires), this ball is on the ground, in no one's possession. NO CHANCE do you call dead ball at this point, even in slow pitch.

You are correct, one should not call the ball dead at this point in either slow pitch or fast pitch. I did not advocate for the correctness of the calling, merely adding some information that I think was lacking.

My point is that umpires who only work slow pitch are sometimes prone to pull the "time" trigger a bit too soon.

That's why I train slow pitch umpires to wait until the pitcher has the ball and all action has ceased to call time. A big problem can arise with calling time and the runner only touched the white bag on a play at first. Calling time prior to the runner returning to first can prevent the defense from making the appeal. Likewise, always calling time prior to the runner getting back to the base and then not calling time on a play tips to the defense that the runner missed the colored portion. Both are bad mechanics.

Like all umpire training, consistency in timing and understanding the rules are vital.