Offense appeals checked swing

[chapmaja]

Why is it that the offense can't appeal a ruling that the batter went too far on a checked swing. We allow the defense to appeal, but not the offense. The reason I ask is I had a situation a couple weeks ago where the batter very clearly checked her swing well before offering, but the plate umpire called her for a swinging strike. The offense wanted to appeal, but we can't accept that appeal (not that this umpire would anyway, even if it was allowed). I would have said no swing, had they been able to appeal.

This umpire was one of those I know everything types. He almost tossed one coach for wanting to come ask me about a call I made on the bases where there was a legit reason the coach would have thought the play could be called differently, based on the coaches angle of the play.

[AtlUmpSteve]

If you want equity, that's a legal position. Under softball (and, in fact, baseball) rules, it is an appeal that no swing was a swing. The opposite isn't an appeal, it is challenging judgement.

Why so? Because an umpire shouldn't guess a swing, he is tracking the pitch, and will only call an obvious swing; we have a base umpire that can provide help we missed a swing. Since he only called the obvious swing, no reason to allow an appeal of that; since he left the questionable ones for appeal, that is why this is the ONLY appeal allowed on balls and strikes judgement.

Pretty sure your partners have questioned your judgment, too; don't think you have the right to overturn their calls.

[Scooby]

And the offense can ask for and on an appeal a checked swing. Sit. 0-2 count Plate umpire calls a ball on and the ball gets by the catcher and the batter runs to 1st.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Scooby

And the offense can ask for and on an appeal a checked swing. Sit. 0-2 count Plate umpire calls a ball on and the ball gets by the catcher and the batter runs to 1st.

No, the offense cannot ask the umpire to get help on a check swing. As noted above, the umpire doesn't call a swing unless s/he sees a swing.

[jmkupka]

If in that case, OC yells "ask for help", and F2 instinctively turns and asks, "did she go?", I guess I can to to my BU...

Sounds like DMC to me.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

If in that case, OC yells "ask for help", and F2 instinctively turns and asks, "did she go?", I guess I can to to my BU...

Sounds like DMC to me.

Say "no, she is still here".

Besides, the BU will look silly in a tutu.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, the offense cannot ask the umpire to get help on a check swing. As noted above, the umpire doesn't call a swing unless s/he sees a swing.

Why not? If I don't see a swing and the batter gets to first, I've always assumed I could fix that by asking the BU.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by youngump

Why not? If I don't see a swing and the batter gets to first, I've always assumed I could fix that by asking the BU.

If you "don't see a swing" and did not call it a swing, then a BU can help.

"No, the offense cannot ask the umpire to get help on a check swing. As noted above, the umpire doesn't call a swing unless s/he sees a swing."
is about when it is called a swing by the PU.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by youngump

Why not? If I don't see a swing and the batter gets to first, I've always assumed I could fix that by asking the BU.

What are you fixing? Why would the offense ask the PU to go for help on a "ball" call?

If an umpire calls the pitch a strike, s/he did so for one of two reasons, s/he saw the batter attempt to hit the pitch or the pitch passed through the strike zone.

By calling the pitch a strike on the swing, it isn't a guess, the umpire must judge that the batter attempted to hit a pitch.