Collision at Safety Bag - ASA Rule

[davidrimi]

Thanks for your prompt analysis.

So, The runner doesn't have a right to the bag? Especially when you have a collision?

In other words, the runner has a duty to slide or avoid. Doesn't the defensive player have the same obligation unless he's being pulled into the resulting collision by an errant throw?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by davidrimi

So, The runner doesn't have a right to the bag? Especially when you have a collision?

What is this "right to the bag" you're referring to? Which rule do you think would apply here?

In other words, the runner has a duty to slide or avoid.

Is this in the duties section of the rulebook? Again ... what rule do you think says this?

Doesn't the defensive player have the same obligation unless he's being pulled into the resulting collision by an errant throw?

And this from the Obligations section of the rulebook? Huh?!?!?

Are you looking at Softball rules or Calvinball rules?

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

What is this "right to the bag" you're referring to? Which rule do you think would apply here?

Is this in the duties section of the rulebook? Again ... what rule do you think says this? And this from the Obligations section of the rulebook? Huh?!?!?

Are you looking at Softball rules or Calvinball rules?

You're being narrow minded at best. The "duties" and "obligations" are what the rules are designed for. That is, to protect a particular player by allowing penalties.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You're being narrow minded at best. The "duties" and "obligations" are what the rules are designed for. That is, to protect a particular player by allowing penalties.

I disagree that I'm being narrow minded. There's no such thing as ANY of the things the OP was referring to. And I know you know that. There's no "right to the bag". There's no "duty to slide or avoid" required of a live runner. There's no "same obligation" on the fielder (not even sure what he's implying here --- that the fielder also must slide or avoid?).

My point was ... where are any of the things he's implying listed in the rulebook?

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I disagree that I'm being narrow minded. There's no such thing as ANY of the things the OP was referring to. And I know you know that. There's no "right to the bag". There's no "duty to slide or avoid" required of a live runner. There's no "same obligation" on the fielder (not even sure what he's implying here --- that the fielder also must slide or avoid?).

My point was ... where are any of the things he's implying listed in the rulebook?

The obligations and duties are covered by rules such as interference, crash rule, obstruction and double first base. My point is the a rule doesn't have to be labeled as such. The rule and penalty speaks for itself.

This is a general statement irrespective of the specifics of the post.

[MD Longhorn]

So ... you didn't like the way I replied. OK. The fact that I was rather sarcastic when I referred to his non-existent rules must have come from non-existent sections of the book has no bearing on the fact that those rules fail to exist.

My point... again... is that none of what he's saying is in the book. Not one drop. None of the rules you mention apply to this situation. Assuming the fielder touched a part of first base, all we have is an out. No interference. No obstruction. No violation of the double base rules. And there's no such thing as a crash rule.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

And there's no such thing as a crash rule.

ASA 8 - 7 - Q

When a defensive player has the ball and the runner remains upright and crashes into the defensive player.

Not applicable in this situation, but there is a rule.