Question about Summer tournament game fees.

[AtlUmpSteve]

So, do you also expect the police officer hired for security and the trainer hired to treat injuries to leave without being paid for their time?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So the teams pay the cost to which someone else has committed.

Answer me this If you pre-order an item, but the item is never produced, do you expect to only get a partial refund because the company/organization had expenses leading up to that point?

Not the same. The Ts & Cs are spelled out in the tournament registration / information available to the teams before they register. They know they will not get 100% of their money back if the tournament is canceled due to weather. The tournaments I am most familiar with cover part of the cost of such a cancellation out of the sponsoring organization's funds (such as a local team's organization) and part from a retained % of the registration fees.

Umpires don't get paid if no games at all are played, but they do get paid if games are started. The tournament organizers are responsible for managing the budgets and paying the professionals they hire.

[Rich]

I dealt with an organization who tried to weasel out of paying us when a team decided to pack it in at the last minute.

My final comment to the TD was...so you're keeping their money AND not planning on paying us even though we are here?


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[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rich

I dealt with an organization who tried to weasel out of paying us when a team decided to pack it in at the last minute.

My final comment to the TD was...so you're keeping their money AND not planning on paying us even though we are here?


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Don't think that anyone has ever said anything about not paying for forfeits. I used to insist on paying for forfeits if the umpire missed a scheduled game.

Nor any games started.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Here in NW Ohio, rain has played havoc with Summer tournaments.

Mark, Jr., and I umpired in three tournaments where the entire day was canceled because of the weather after the first game of the day had started.

In the first two tournaments, all of the umpires were paid a full game fee for the game that was started, that resulted in 14 umpires being paid in one tournament and 20 umpires in another tournament. These two tournaments were not in the Toledo area.

The third tournament was in the Toledo area and the TD refused to pay the umpires (32 umpires including Mark) and I). When Mark and I told the TD that this was not acceptable, the other 30 umpires shouted us down saying that they would gladly not accept any money for the rained out games that had started. I am preparing an email to our assigner because not being paid for a game that has already started is flat out wrong.

I would like to know how different areas of the country handle this sort of nonsense. Thanks.

MTD, Sr.

Umpires should be paid a full game fee for each contest that is STARTED. Once the first pitch is thrown, a full game fee is due.

There is a high school rule in Michigan regarding when we are due for full game fees, partial fees and no fees.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Umpires should be paid a full game fee for each contest that is STARTED. Once the first pitch is thrown, a full game fee is due.

There is a high school rule in Michigan regarding when we are due for full game fees, partial fees and no fees.

Any time we are even on the way, some compensation is needed.

[Rich]

I assign for 21 high schools -- we have 16 softball teams and 14 baseball teams in our league.

If an umpire is not notified before he leaves for a field (given a reasonable driving time), he/she gets a full game fee.

You'd think that would encourage schools to cancel earlier in the day and keep costs down. You would be wrong.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rich

I assign for 21 high schools -- we have 16 softball teams and 14 baseball teams in our league.

If an umpire is not notified before he leaves for a field (given a reasonable driving time), he/she gets a full game fee.

You'd think that would encourage schools to cancel earlier in the day and keep costs down. You would be wrong.

I don't think you can compare HS with "summer" tournaments, as budgets and source of funds and access to them are different.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

So, do you also expect the police officer hired for security and the trainer hired to treat injuries to leave without being paid for their time?

No, but I'm sure they have a contract and, in some places, are required by law or local regulation.

Now, if you want to talk about a contract which defines payments status and responsibilities, that is what you get.