Hand Ball

[kusskke]

If, as stated in the base note, the hands or arms are moved so that the individual can play the ball using them, it is a violation of the rule. To make up your own add-on definations, such as safety factors as stated in this thread, admits you are not refereeing soccer but rather your own version of the game. Carried to an extreme I suppose you could allow the hands and arms to be used to protect the head from brain damage or eye injury, or ear drum concussion.

[ref2coach]

Kusskke many would argue that the NFHS "rules" that contravene the FIFA Laws of the Game ARE the "add on definitions", that create a question as to "what" game is being played. Under TLOG any movement of the hand/arm that is mealy reactive in nature to protect oneself is not to be punished. Only deliberately handling the ball to attempt to create a disadvantage for the opponent is to be punished. Phantnref's explanation IS the "real" soccer definition.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

Kusskke many would argue that the NFHS "rules" that contravene the FIFA Laws of the Game ARE the "add on definitions", that create a question as to "what" game is being played. Under TLOG any movement of the hand/arm that is mealy reactive in nature to protect oneself is not to be punished. Only deliberately handling the ball to attempt to create a disadvantage for the opponent is to be punished. Phantnref's explanation IS the "real" soccer definition.

But the problem is that phatneff also calls it that way in an NFHS game, which is in complete violation of the NFHS rules. In short, he purposely ignores an NFHS rule because he likes the FIFA interpretation better. That's wrong. He shouldn't officiate NFHS games if he doesn't wish to apply the NFHS rules during the contest.

[refnrev]

Yep. It's a hand ball -- and a deliberate move of the hand to hit the ball.

[ref2coach]

NevadaRef I do not disagree with your statement. I have stated before "if you accept and assignment by an organization you use that organizations rules for that contest." I was addressing the statement "not refereeing soccer but rather your own version of the game." I believe NFHS's "handling" interpretation is "wrong" for "soccer"; but personally when I work NFHS games I follow their requirements.

[ryan07]

yea i never heard of that rule .....well caught buddy i have read the rule book rite now and just figure it out that you are rite....

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

NevadaRef I do not disagree with your statement. I have stated before "if you accept and assignment by an organization you use that organizations rules for that contest." I was addressing the statement "not refereeing soccer but rather your own version of the game." I believe NFHS's "handling" interpretation is "wrong" for "soccer"; but personally when I work NFHS games I follow their requirements.

This line of thinking, however, is quite prententious as it suggests that only FIFA is qualified to define the game of soccer, and that only the laws/rules set forth by FIFA are worthy of merit. This would be akin to saying that only FIBA basketball is "real", everything else (NBA, NFHS, etc) is something else. The rules of what ever organization you are playing by defines the sport that is being played.

[ref2coach]

BS... you have your analogy backward. Basketball was created in the US FIBA came along much later as the game spread to other parts of the world.

Football/Soccer was created in England. England, Wales, Scotland & Ireland hold 4 of the 7 votes on the IFAB which makes & maintains all "The Laws of the Game" that the vast majority of the world plays by. Even here in the US all "Club" players play by the IFAB/FIFA laws. Club players outnumber NFHS players by a massive amount. The "modifications" NFHS have made to the game have not improved the game but have created confusion for the players and spectators who learn the game under the "worlds" rules and then 1 season per year for only 4 years of the entire playing career they have to accept the NFHS's poorly though out "adaptations".

[phatneff]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

But the problem is that phatneff also calls it that way in an NFHS game, which is in complete violation of the NFHS rules. In short, he purposely ignores an NFHS rule because he likes the FIFA interpretation better. That's wrong. He shouldn't officiate NFHS games if he doesn't wish to apply the NFHS rules during the contest.

LOL!! I just read this finally. Nevadaref will never miss an opportunity to say I'm wrong and shouldn't be reffing! That just kills me. And YOU got ME banned from the other message board??? Very interesting. You must be pretty good at doing other things other than reffing.......if you know what I mean...........to have the amount of pull you do! LOL!