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Forum: Football Fri Oct 29, 2004, 03:31pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 Re: Maybe this will help... [QUOTE]Originally posted by KWH [B] This helps because it forced me to critically read the definition of a Snap. Now, I can honestly say I see why this play is legal (I still don't agree with it...

Forum: Football Fri Oct 29, 2004, 02:33pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 Ok, I understand NFHS says its legal but it still... Ok, I understand NFHS says its legal but it still seems to be illogical to me. I will "try" to leave this topic alone and submit to the masses that this is a legal play. However, for the record I...

Forum: Football Fri Oct 29, 2004, 11:04am

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 But how can it be a touchdown if the ball never... But how can it be a touchdown if the ball never touches the ground or an A player? Isn't that the definition of a legal snap? And is it not a rule that a "legal snap" will cause the ball to become...

Forum: Football Fri Oct 29, 2004, 07:53am

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 Whats the call in this play: Punt formation,... Whats the call in this play: Punt formation, snapper snaps the ball which floats high into the air in punt-like fashion. B1 runs underneath it and catches it, in stride and races untouched into the...

Forum: Football Fri Oct 29, 2004, 05:22am

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 Swatting the ball from the snapper hand(s) is a... Swatting the ball from the snapper hand(s) is a defensive penalty--Encroachment or Delay of Game. You said you would rule it a fumble. You can't rule it a fumble because player possession was...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 08:11pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 Mr Neil, the only time you seem to show up in any... Mr Neil, the only time you seem to show up in any of my posts is to try and discredit me as an official. I think I have made a well articulated argument which even included NFHS rules and...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 04:20pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Warrenkicker ... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Warrenkicker [B][QUOTE]Originally posted by Derock2004 [B] In this situation, the ball moves backward leaving the snapper hands and its rolling on the ground...the...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 03:59pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 A ball is NOT live when the snap begins. Section... A ball is NOT live when the snap begins. Section 38, Art 2. The snap begins when the snapper first moves the ball legally other than in adjustment. Interpretation: If this were true, then all the...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 02:40pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 How can it be a live ball if the center never... How can it be a live ball if the center never releases it? Maybe this is where I'm missing it. Are you saying swatting the ball is the same as releasing the ball? If you are, then I don't see how...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 12:25pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 So what would you have had if you had to rule on... So what would you have had if you had to rule on this play? Is it a dead ball or live ball? Simply put I am curious to know what you will do if this happened in a game? Would you rule it a muff,...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 11:15am

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 Re: What about this twist? That is correct. The ball must be released by the center. In the scenario you mentioned, I have a false start if the center does not release the ball. Merely touching the hands of the QB is not...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 11:12am

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 The key word in what you said is "he drops it"! ... The key word in what you said is "he drops it"! There is a distinct difference from releasing the ball and having it swatted or swiped from your hand(s). No way is this a legal play. You still...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 09:05am

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 So if the ball is not released by the center,... So if the ball is not released by the center, then the ball never becomes live? The defense swatting the ball from the center hands, is this action considered "releasing the ball"? No, the center...

Forum: Football Thu Oct 28, 2004, 03:31am

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 Wow! I can not believe this. How can you say... Wow! I can not believe this. How can you say this is a legal play? If this comes down to an opinionated or judgement rule, I think the rules I posted earlier suggest you can not do that. Every...

Forum: Football Wed Oct 27, 2004, 09:40pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 Wow! Am I the only one who interprets the rules... Wow! Am I the only one who interprets the rules I mentioned as it being illegal for the defense to swat the ball from the center's hands after he moves it? Out of curiousity, what call do you...

Forum: Football Wed Oct 27, 2004, 05:20pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 You missed the first part of the snap rule. The... You missed the first part of the snap rule. The snap "begins" when the snapper first moves the ball legally other than in adjustment. Interpretation: When the snapper moves the ball, this signals...

Forum: Football Wed Oct 27, 2004, 03:53pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 The movement of the ball in a snap signals the... The movement of the ball in a snap signals the start of the play but you do not have a live ball or play until the center releases the ball. Not implying that linemen can't move, they can move as...

Forum: Football Wed Oct 27, 2004, 03:29pm

Replies: 52 End of Game, Nose Swats at Snap Views: 11,438 Posted By Derock2004 The defense can not interfere or impede the... The defense can not interfere or impede the snapping of the ball. NFHS. Section 38, Art 2. The snap begins when the snapper first moves the ball legally other than in adjustment. In a snap, the...

Forum: Football Tue Oct 26, 2004, 03:38pm

Replies: 26 Whats the Call Views: 3,150 Posted By Derock2004 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Patton [B] Why... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Patton [B] Why is your IW "unfortunate" but a coach instructing his player to continue running untouched to the endzone "stupidity"? The way I see it you have "two"...

Forum: Football Tue Oct 26, 2004, 03:23pm

Replies: 26 Whats the Call Views: 3,150 Posted By Derock2004 Mr Neil, I was wondering when you would show up. ... Mr Neil, I was wondering when you would show up. I am not a coach and perhaps to your satisfaction, I am no longer an official. I gave it up two years ago but I still enjoy discussing and following...

Forum: Football Tue Oct 26, 2004, 02:56pm

Replies: 26 Whats the Call Views: 3,150 Posted By Derock2004 I don't know my friend. Seems to me you should... I don't know my friend. Seems to me you should be a little more understanding when it was "your stupidity" or incompetence that started the whole thing.

Forum: Football Tue Oct 26, 2004, 02:42pm

Replies: 18 Kneeling play, LB dives at QB Views: 2,832 Posted By Derock2004 [QUOTE]Originally posted by PSU213 ... [QUOTE]Originally posted by PSU213 [B][QUOTE]Originally posted by Derock2004 [B] If I announce that A will be taking a knee, they will take a knee. Mainly because A just openly declared to the...

Forum: Football Mon Oct 25, 2004, 04:09pm

Replies: 18 Kneeling play, LB dives at QB Views: 2,832 Posted By Derock2004 I guess I see your point. Maybe I'll rethink my... I guess I see your point. Maybe I'll rethink my choice of wording to ensure both teams know to continue to play but do not hit the QB while he takes a knee. And I still say if the offense announces...

Forum: Football Mon Oct 25, 2004, 03:53pm

Replies: 26 Whats the Call Views: 3,150 Posted By Derock2004 I guess you're right but the kids and coaches... I guess you're right but the kids and coaches watch too much NFL. The coach waved the kid on to keep running to the endzone for two reasons: 1) The coach knew nothing occurred to cause the play to...

Forum: Football Sat Oct 23, 2004, 08:55pm

Replies: 18 Kneeling play, LB dives at QB Views: 2,832 Posted By Derock2004 Ejecting or warning the player has absolutely... Ejecting or warning the player has absolutely nothing to do with the possibility of a law suit. I don't see how this could ever come down to a legal issue but if it did, I would think the official...

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