New Rules for 2015

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The rules committee also approved new language in Rule 10-2-5 regarding the enforcement of dead-ball fouls. The distance penalty for unsportsmanlike, non-player or dead-ball personal fouls committed by teams can offset. Equal numbers of 15-yard penalties by both teams will cancel and remaining penalties may be enforced.

Long overdue.

[Welpe]

I wish they had gone a step further and emulated NCAA by offsetting all dead ball fouls regardless if they match up or not. A good change though.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I wish they had gone a step further and emulated NCAA by offsetting all dead ball fouls regardless if they match up or not. A good change though.

This is one of the areas where I actually prefer the FED enforcement, personally. If Team A commits 3 separate dead-ball fouls, and Team B only commits 1, why shouldn't Team A be penalized?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

This is one of the areas where I actually prefer the FED enforcement, personally. If Team A commits 3 separate dead-ball fouls, and Team B only commits 1, why shouldn't Team A be penalized?

What would you think of ignoring 5-yarders, and counting only 15-yard penalties, when a combination of fouls penalizable by 5- and 15-yd. penalties is committed by one or both teams in a dead ball interval?

Also, making the interval during which fouls could occur and then be offset as beginning with the 1st 15-yarder and ending as soon as the net distance is walked off (or indicated as 0)?

[mtn335]

The only 5-yard fouls I can think of when the ball is dead are either pre-snap (think false start) or substitution. To me, those all fall in a completely different category from any of the UNS, non-player, or dead-ball personal foul type things.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by mtn335

The only 5-yard fouls I can think of when the ball is dead are either pre-snap (think false start) or substitution.

Encroachment, equipment, elopement, or excitement. (By "elopement" I mean substitution, by "excitement", I mean false starting.)

To me, those all fall in a completely different category from any of the UNS, non-player, or dead-ball personal foul type things.

Same for me, and that's why I wonder if you'd go for changing the rules to ignore such violations if followed by a personal foul or UC.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Same for me, and that's why I wonder if you'd go for changing the rules to ignore such violations if followed by a personal foul or UC.

I don't see where they're offsetting 15's with 5's:
"Equal numbers of 15-yard penalties by both teams will cancel and remaining penalties may be enforced."

[Big2Cat]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

What would you think of ignoring 5-yarders, and counting only 15-yard penalties, when a combination of fouls penalizable by 5- and 15-yd. penalties is committed by one or both teams in a dead ball interval?
?

That would be too much like the NFL.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

This is one of the areas where I actually prefer the FED enforcement, personally. If Team A commits 3 separate dead-ball fouls, and Team B only commits 1, why shouldn't Team A be penalized?

I only prefer NCAA's way because it is more straight forward. Both teams screwed up, nobody benefits.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I only prefer NCAA's way because it is more straight forward. Both teams screwed up, nobody benefits.

I agree. Plus if there is some kind of skirmish and 4 guys from one team are involved and 2 from the other, are we going to have 6 flags down because of the inequity?

This very rarely happens anyway so I'm not that worried about it. I just didn't see the need for the extra complexity of offsetting equal numbers. If one team commits 3 live ball balls and other commits 1 they are offset entirely.

[KWH]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

This is one of the areas where I actually prefer the FED enforcement, personally. If Team A commits 3 separate dead-ball fouls, and Team B only commits 1, why shouldn't Team A be penalized?

+1
The NFHS still believes no foul should go unpunished.
(Yes, I realize their are situations where a foul does go unpunished so go ahead and save your list of examples.)
In my opinion, this re-write cleans up what many felt created an "Inside the 30" imbalance.

Additionally, while the NCAA logic of "lets just offset everything and get out of this mess" works for the NCAA, it is NOT a part of NFHS Football.
For this reason only even numbered dead ball fouls shall offset in NFHS