New Rules for 2015

[mtn335]

The only 5-yard fouls I can think of when the ball is dead are either pre-snap (think false start) or substitution. To me, those all fall in a completely different category from any of the UNS, non-player, or dead-ball personal foul type things.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by mtn335

The only 5-yard fouls I can think of when the ball is dead are either pre-snap (think false start) or substitution.

Encroachment, equipment, elopement, or excitement. (By "elopement" I mean substitution, by "excitement", I mean false starting.)

To me, those all fall in a completely different category from any of the UNS, non-player, or dead-ball personal foul type things.

Same for me, and that's why I wonder if you'd go for changing the rules to ignore such violations if followed by a personal foul or UC.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Same for me, and that's why I wonder if you'd go for changing the rules to ignore such violations if followed by a personal foul or UC.

I don't see where they're offsetting 15's with 5's:
"Equal numbers of 15-yard penalties by both teams will cancel and remaining penalties may be enforced."

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by CT1

I don't see where they're offsetting 15's with 5's:
"Equal numbers of 15-yard penalties by both teams will cancel and remaining penalties may be enforced."

Nobody here said they were. They're adding them algebraically. I'm just wondering if it'd be better to ignore 5 yarders when the same or opposing team commits one or more 15 yarders in the same interval.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Nobody here said they were.

Then why would you advocate ignoring the 5-yarders?

PLAY: Player A-68 commits a false start, after which B-79 and A-55 each commit DBPFs. RULING: ??

Even though the DBPFs now offset, why ignore the FS?

[Rich]

I could see the ignore the 5 mentality on live ball fouls -- a 5 yard facemask shouldn't offset a chop block, for instance. Doesn't the NFL have such a provision?

[JRutledge]

I do not believe so. But then again the NFL does not have many 5 yard live ball fouls.

Peace

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by CT1

Then why would you advocate ignoring the 5-yarders?

PLAY: Player A-68 commits a false start, after which B-79 and A-55 each commit DBPFs. RULING: ??

Even though the DBPFs now offset, why ignore the FS?

To emphasize the importance of the rule against personal fouls. Like, the personal fouls were such an issue, let's forget about the false start.

At least one major code takes that attitude regarding 5- & 15-yd. penalties for live ball fouls. How about extending it to dead ball fouls?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

To emphasize the importance of the rule against personal fouls. Like, the personal fouls were such an issue, let's forget about the false start.

At least one major code takes that attitude regarding 5- & 15-yd. penalties for live ball fouls. How about extending it to dead ball fouls?

PLAY: A 3/3 from the B16 yard line. Player B-68 encroaches, after which B-79 and A-55 each commit DBPFs.

You want to ignore the encroachment & deprive A of a new series?