Oklahoma Playoffs -- Update

[Rich]

Douglass-Locust Grove: Police report released in incident involving HS football official, Douglass fan | News OK

[PATRICK]

I'm waiting to see what the results of the 1:30 hearing are. I keep checking Google every five minutes!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by PATRICK

I'm waiting to see what the results of the 1:30 hearing are. I keep checking Google every five minutes!

You can stop. The judge won't announce until 10AM CST tomorrow.

[APG]

Douglass-Locust Grove: Judge denies Douglass' request for injunction | News OK

And here's a PDF of the filing from the judge:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.new...AADouglass.pdf

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

Douglass-Locust Grove: Judge denies Douglass' request for injunction | News OK

And here's a PDF of the filing from the judge:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.new...AADouglass.pdf

The judge used some very, very good words and phrases here.

Bravo to him. He gets it.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

The judge used some very, very good words and phrases here.

Bravo to him. He gets it.

I agree. His opinion was spot on and he really did get it.

[CT1]

"Courts ought not meddle in these activities or others, especially when the parties have agreed to be bound by and have availed themselves to the governance of these activities associations."

CT1 concurs.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Rich

The judge used some very, very good words and phrases here.

Bravo to him. He gets it.

Now that that's settled as I believe it should be, is the rule kick of the enforcement of this particular rule something that should not be expected of playoff officials? Or would many not have gotten the enforcement correct. Is it correct that there is a sore point regarding the suit that brought the rule inception? This baseball guy would think that if you know to throw the flag you would know how to enforce it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Now that that's settled as I believe it should be, is the rule kick of the enforcement of this particular rule something that should not be expected of playoff officials? Or would many not have gotten the enforcement correct. Is it correct that there is a sore point regarding the suit that brought the rule inception? This baseball guy would think that if you know to throw the flag you would know how to enforce it.

Football is a strange sport -- it's got a LOT of rules and enforcements and a lot of officials think to themselves "that's the white hat's job" on a lot of crews. Shouldn't be that way, isn't that way on good crews, but it is far too often.

So if the white hat has a brain cramp, nobody steps up. Surely he knows the rules and if he doesn't, so what -- I'm not the white hat.

Playoff selection -- when it's made using metrics that have nothing to do with how good the crew actually is -- like coach ratings or geographic selection, there's no guarantee that the crew that works is one of the best X in the state. Just no guarantees. One person in Oklahoma makes these selections and there is no way he knows if all those crews are any good -- in my mind, the best way to make these selections is to do them regionally and have someone with knowledge of officiating and these crews help to make the selections.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by umpjim

This baseball guy would think that if you know to throw the flag you would know how to enforce it.

Not necessarily, as Rich pointed out. And I'm sure there are some baseball umpires who don't correctly award bases on a ball thrown out of play.

PLAY: R1 gets picked off, a rundown ensues, and as R1 is diving headfirst back toward first base, F4's throw hits him and ricochets into the dugout.

I'll bet there are many umpires who would only award R1 second base.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by umpjim

Now that that's settled as I believe it should be, is the rule kick of the enforcement of this particular rule something that should not be expected of playoff officials? Or would many not have gotten the enforcement correct. Is it correct that there is a sore point regarding the suit that brought the rule inception? This baseball guy would think that if you know to throw the flag you would know how to enforce it.

In a perfect world, all officials in any sport enforce EVERY rule situation correctly and never make mistakes. However, ANY official, in ANY sport, who has been doing this long enough to understand reality, never forgets they're only one play away from their NEXT brain fart.

It's wise to remember, There, but for the grace of God, go I".