Alabama-Arkansas final minute

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Cliffdweller

The rules state that if a team attempts to conserve or consume time illegally, the referee shall order the clock stopped or started. Rule 3-4-6

The rules can state whatever they like. If there's a FST with 1 minute left in this situation, we're starting on the snap. I'm not a mind reader. I'm also not allowing a team to run a minute off the clock by taking a penalty.

BTW, the rules say the same in NCAA -- and the conference has publicly said the crew was wrong.

[MD Longhorn]

If I'm ever questioning whether it might have given the fouling team an advantage, I'm starting it at the snap. I probably would have started at the snap in the scenario you presented, Rich. Intent is not required (although if there is intent, it's always at the snap).

This is one of those very few instances where I don't like the NFL rule (they will start at the snap after a DECLINED penalty, even - see 47 seconds in the Dallas-Seattle game).

[APG]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

If I'm ever questioning whether it might have given the fouling team an advantage, I'm starting it at the snap. I probably would have started at the snap in the scenario you presented, Rich. Intent is not required (although if there is intent, it's always at the snap).

This is one of those very few instances where I don't like the NFL rule (they will start at the snap after a DECLINED penalty, even - see 47 seconds in the Dallas-Seattle game).

NFL: True if the penalty (by either team) is committed in the final two minutes in the 2nd quarter or inside of five minutes in the 4th quarter.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by APG

NFL: True if the penalty (by either team) is committed in the final two minutes in the 2nd quarter or inside of five minutes in the 4th quarter.

Yup - that's the part of the rule that I think is rather stupid.

[rwy333]

The SEC press release referenced 3-4-3 as the applicable rule since the foul occurred in the last five minutes of the game. Where did the "last five minutes" qualifier come from. Does the SEC have a special procedure for that rule?

"SEC spokesperson Chuck Dunlap wrote in an email. “However, inside five minutes left in the game, rule 3-4-3 should apply, which includes starting the game clock on the snap ‘if the foul is by the team ahead in the score.’"".

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Yup - that's the part of the rule that I think is rather stupid.

It's especially stupid because it makes the rules different between the 2nd half & the 1st, which means the coin toss matters a little more since they adopted it.

The judgment situation is not as severe as it has been in the past. The rule against delay of game was applied to failures to put the ball in play, for many decades before the rules specified a time limit. The 1st time limit didn't even apply directly to time to play the ball, only time in the huddle! I guess they thought there was less excuse to stall if you weren't huddling. Then for a few years after they adopted a limit on time to play the ball, they retained the limit on time in the huddle.