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[Welpe]

Then it should have been 4th and 2 at the A-48. Team A has a right to replay the down after the accepted penalty.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Then it should have been 4th and 2 at the A-48. Team A has a right to replay the down after the accepted penalty.

Of course if you are in Texas or Massachusetts (under NCAA rules), a FMM also carries an automatic first down. Under NFHS rules, it does not.

[MRD]

Actually, my question was re the loss of down. I thought A should have 4th and 2 but I was overruled. What section of rule 10 specifically addresses this situation? Thanks for your help

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MRD

Actually, my question was re the loss of down. I thought A should have 4th and 2 but I was overruled. What section of rule 10 specifically addresses this situation? Thanks for your help

Most of it. Let me ask you this... can you think of any live ball penalty on the defense that involves loss of down against the offense?

Off sides on 1st and 10, it's 1st and 5.
etc...

Why would a facemask be any different?

[Rich]

I've run into this with other officials -- they think because the foul is enforced from the end of the run that the down should count.

They, as they say, would be wrong.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Most of it. Let me ask you this... can you think of any live ball penalty on the defense that involves loss of down against the offense?

Off sides on 1st and 10, it's 1st and 5.
etc...

Why would a facemask be any different?

No such foul (offside) in NFHS rules.

[HLin NC]

Also might want to concentrate on Fundamentals section, particularly I.6 "No foul causes the loss of the ball".

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Also might want to concentrate on Fundamentals section, particularly I.6 "No foul causes the loss of the ball".

I don't think that applies, though. There are fouls that contain a LOD provision where the ball would've turned over on downs anyway, even with enforcement.

This fundamental prevents a crew from giving B the ball on OPI "because B would've obviously intercepted it."

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by MRD

Actually, my question was re the loss of down. I thought A should have 4th and 2 but I was overruled. What section of rule 10 specifically addresses this situation? Thanks for your help

This is why ALL crew members must be sharp on the rules. Don't rely on the WH all the time.

Also, this is a situation where if the coaches made an effort to learn the rules, they could have helped their team.