Error on 2014 NFHS test

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by WestCoaster

Rule 10-4-7 clearly states that if you run the ball into the end zone, get fouled by B, then fumble in the end zone the basic spot is the goal line. This is exactly what happened in this play, is it not? I'm not questioning that this is a loose ball play! It is. But all the requirements of rule 10-4-7 have been met. The rule clearly states in THIS situation the basic spot for this foul is the goal line. What am I missing? What about rule 10-4-7 does not apply here? All conditions of this rule have been met. I'm clear on what is a loose ball play. This one example seems an exception to previous spot enforcement. Read the rule carefully and tell me how the play in this example is different.

I think you're hung up by the phrase "and the related run ends in the end zone and is followed by a loose ball", because you're wondering how that could occur on any play without converting it to a loose ball play, so you assume this provision supersedes its classif'n as a loose ball play. I'm guessing the drafters forgot to reconcile provisions when a change was made.

[JRutledge]

So glad we do not take this anymore.

Peace

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So glad we do not take this anymore.

Peace

Really?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ODJ

Really?

Our state is not a full member of the National Federation, which means they do not pay the insurance dues for the officials for the state. Our state produces our own test which is much shorter and multiple choice. It has been that way for probably 5 or 6 years now. Our test is usually much more common sense and asks about how you apply the rules, not just trying to test your rulebook language knowledge or complete understanding for one word in a question.

Peace

[Reffing Rev.]

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Our state is not a full member of the National Federation, which means they do not pay the insurance dues for the officials for the state. Our state produces our own test which is much shorter and multiple choice. It has been that way for probably 5 or 6 years now. Our test is usually much more common sense and asks about how you apply the rules, not just trying to test your rulebook language knowledge or complete understanding for one word in a question.

Peace

I used to live in the land of Lincoln and may move back there some day...I'm curious did your ihsa registration costs go down? How much more do you pay for liability?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

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I used to live in the land of Lincoln and may move back there some day...I'm curious did your ihsa registration costs go down? How much more do you pay for liability?

Illinois decided they were going not going to honor bordering state reciprocity at the same time. That's when I decided to stop working the occasional basketball game in Illinois.

[WestCoaster]

So this rule only pertains to a running play such as that following an interception, possession of a kick etc. It seems impossible then to have a run play from scrimmage where this rule applies, since the fumble occurs in the end zone which by definition is a loose ball play.

Thank you all for the clarification. It's important to me that I understand this rule clearly. I've actually had this play in a youth game and enforced the horse collar penalty (incorrectly) from the goal line. I will get it right next time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

en?

I used to live in the land of Lincoln and may move back there some day...I'm curious did your ihsa registration costs go down? How much more do you pay for liability?

No, it did not go up. It stayed about the same if I recall for renewals. It would have gone up if they had stayed with the NF Insurance from my understanding.

I would have to look up what is the current cost for all of this, but I know it would have been more if they stayed with the NF and one of the main reasons they opted out of the NF program. As a result, we do not get rulebooks and personal memberships from the NF. And that is alright with me.

Peace

[chapmaja]

I am not a football official, but to me this seems like another example of the wording of the NFHS rulebooks being confusing as heck.

We had a softball debate at a clinic a couple years ago. I don't recall the exact situation, but it involved a batter being hit with a batted ball and what the status of the ball and play was. The rules covering the batter actually contradict themselves, but the deciding factor is the definition of a foul ball.

If in doubt, go with the definition in the NFHS book.