Is the NFL ever going to use logic with its replay rules?

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by APG

Reading your title, and knowing your posting history, I'm not surprised to read this from you.

Since no sport makes every single play reviewable, there will always be a situation that occurs where a situation isn't reviewable...then a league will change the rule the following year. Maybe this will happen this next year.

And it's true. It's not the first time I've seen that replay rule come into play in an equally obvious situation. There's no reason for anything to be unreviewable, other than penalties, of course. There's either evidence to overturn or not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by hbk314

And it's true. It's not the first time I've seen that replay rule come into play in an equally obvious situation. There's no reason for anything to be unreviewable, other than penalties, of course. There's either evidence to overturn or not.

Let us review everything. Games will take 2 days, but why not. No one wants to do anything else but watch football games all day.

Peace

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Let us review everything. Games will take 2 days, but why not. No one wants to do anything else but watch football games all day.

Peace

I'm not saying everything should be reviewed, but the option to challenge should be there.

[HLin NC]

Can we just set up a separate forum board entitled "I Hate The #%^*€>+ NFL".

It would make things so much simpler.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Can we just set up a separate forum board entitled "I Hate The #%^*€>+ NFL".

It would make things so much simpler.

You know the point of a forum is to discuss things?

I honestly appreciate the officials perspective and feel you guys here have a much better handle on things than your typical fan you'll see online.

While I may debate certain points here, you at least have to acknowledge that my points are logical. I'm not just debating for the sake of debating.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by hbk314

You know the point of a forum is to discuss things?

I honestly appreciate the officials perspective and feel you guys here have a much better handle on things than your typical fan you'll see online.

While I may debate certain points here, you at least have to acknowledge that my points are logical. I'm not just debating for the sake of debating.

Could have fooled me.

Guys, hbk314 can say whatever he wants within the rules of this Forum. Please do not criticize what he posts about, he has free will. If you dislike what he chooses to write about, ignore it and don't reply. Thank you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Guys, hbk314 can say whatever he wants within the rules of this Forum. Please do not criticize what he posts about, he has free will. If you dislike what he chooses to write about, ignore it and don't reply. Thank you.

People can come plain and will complain no matter what the topic. We do not need you to tell people what to complain about.

Peace

[Matt]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Guys, hbk314 can say whatever he wants within the rules of this Forum. Please do not criticize what he posts about, he has free will. If you dislike what he chooses to write about, ignore it and don't reply. Thank you.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Some will criticize, some will ignore. Both are perfectly acceptable and viable options.

I hope you reread what you stated and see that you just did what you are arguing against.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Guys, hbk314 can say whatever he wants within the rules of this Forum. Please do not criticize what he posts about, he has free will. If you dislike what he chooses to write about, ignore it and don't reply. Thank you.

Are you applying for a moderator position? If so, please PM me and I will consider your application.

Thank you for being a fan of the Official Forum.

[UMP45]

Originally Posted by hbk314

You know the point of a forum is to discuss things?

I honestly appreciate the officials perspective and feel you guys here have a much better handle on things than your typical fan you'll see online.

While I may debate certain points here, you at least have to acknowledge that my points are logical. I'm not just debating for the sake of debating.

As a baseball umpire, who knows nothing about officiating football, I have read some of your posts and this is what I take from them.One, you are not an official. Two, this means you have a VERY limited knowledge of what they do. Three, you are a coach.Therefore you by nature biased against officials. And four, you know enough to be dangerous. In baseball we have a saying "know the rule, know how to apply the rule, and know the spirit or intent of the rule". Oh as far as "logic" goes I think you argue just to hear your head rattle!

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by UMP45

As a baseball umpire, who knows nothing about officiating football, I have read some of your posts and this is what I take from them.One, you are not an official. Two, this means you have a VERY limited knowledge of what they do. Three, you are a coach.Therefore you by nature biased against officials. And four, you know enough to be dangerous. In baseball we have a saying "know the rule, know how to apply the rule, and know the spirit or intent of the rule". Oh as far as "logic" goes I think you argue just to hear your head rattle!

I'm also a baseball umpire.

I've stated I don't officiate football, but I think I have a better understanding of the game than a lot of fans, but not to the level of an experienced official.

I'm certainly not a coach.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the spirit of the rule line.

This is a play that clearly could have been fixed with replay. It doesn't make sense that it couldn't be challenged. It's not going to tack a bunch of time on allowing a play such as this to be challenged. If it's a loose ball in a pile of bodies, there's not going to be evidence to overturn, so it likely won't be challenged unless the coach wants to lose a timeout.

I've given a well-thought-out argument for why this play and other currently not reviewable plays should be reviewable. To put it simply: There's either evidence to overturn or there's not.

Nobody's really given me a good reason as to why it shouldn't be.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by hbk314

you at least have to acknowledge that my points are logical.

a swing and a miss....

APG gave you the explanation of why this type of play is not reviewable. he gave you the logic behind the reason. (which is spot on) Then he gave an out where it may some day become reviewable.

You in turn stomped your feet, held your breath and said it should be reviewed.

Not logical

[Texas Aggie]

Some will criticize, some will ignore.

I think what his point was, was to criticize the opinion if you feel like it, but not the topic selection. If you don't like the topic selection, ignore the thread -- its pretty simple. The mods will (hopefully) take care of topics outside the realms of the forum.

This thread has more posts on off topic issues than it does on what the OP said. If you truly want to eliminate what YOU think are irrelevant or uninformative topics, DON'T RESPOND. No one is going to stay on here long if they start threads no one else responds to, even if the mods let the threads stay up. For the life of me, I can't understand why people don't see that.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by asdf

a swing and a miss....

APG gave you the explanation of why this type of play is not reviewable. he gave you the logic behind the reason. (which is spot on) Then he gave an out where it may some day become reviewable.

You in turn stomped your feet, held your breath and said it should be reviewed.

Not logical

Apparently you didn't read the whole thread.

I've stated that just because a lot of loose ball plays aren't going to have evidence to change the call, such as a pile of players jumping on a fumble, for example, doesn't mean you should automatically make every such play not reviewable.

Each play should be reviewable and evaluated based on the available information. In the case of this play from today, replay clearly would have been able to fix it, if it were reviewable. Just because the bulk of loose ball recoveries probably aren't going to be successfully challenged doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to choose to risk a challenge and timeout for a review of a play like the one today.