NCAA : Ohio v E Carolina onside kick

[#olderthanilook]

Ohio kick off travels 10 yds in the air and caught by K2. Apparently legal play in NCAA??

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Ohio kick off travels 10 yds in the air and caught by K2. Apparently legal play in NCAA??

What are we thinking would make this illegal?

[Welpe]

I'm assuming you're talking about KCI implications?

In NCAA, it is not KCI for Team A (Team K) to touch a free kick in flight unless Team B (Team R) is in position to catch the ball.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm assuming you're talking about KCI implications?

In NCAA, it is not KCI for Team A (Team K) to touch a free kick in flight unless Team B (Team R) is in position to catch the ball.

I'm now worried to ask this ...

But are you implying that in FED it IS kick catch interference to touch a free kick in flight if there's no catch to be interfered with? (I'm quite worried you're going to say yes... my next question is "Why in the world would the make such a rule?!?!?")

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

But are you implying that in FED it IS kick catch interference to touch a free kick in flight if there's no catch to be interfered with?

Yes. This is only true on a free kick, scrimmage kicks require somebody to be in a position to catch the kick.

(I'm quite worried you're going to say yes... my next question is "Why in the world would the make such a rule?!?!?")

There's enough of that going around right now. I don't know.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Yes. This is only true on a free kick, scrimmage kicks require somebody to be in a position to catch the kick.



There's enough of that going around right now. I don't know.

I guess I shouldn't say anything about that not being logical then.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Ohio kick off travels 10 yds in the air and caught by K2. Apparently legal play in NCAA??

And illegal in the NFL.

What is the logic in it being legal in one, but not the other?

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm now worried to ask this ...

But are you implying that in FED it IS kick catch interference to touch a free kick in flight if there's no catch to be interfered with? (I'm quite worried you're going to say yes... my next question is "Why in the world would the make such a rule?!?!?")

Perhaps because they offer different conclusions. Until fairly recently, CATCHING either a Free Kick or Scrimmage Kick by K constituted KCI, until it was changed for a Scrimmage Kick exception being allowed to give K the opportunity to "Down" a scrimmage kick, before the ball hit the ground (which was a previous requirement). When K (legally) "catches" a scrimmage kick, it is considered 1st touching, and R retains the right to take possession of the ball at that spot.

On Free Kicks, the rules are different, if K gains possession of a Free Kick, they get to maintain possession, provided (as long stated by existing rule) the kick travels beyond the FKZ (10 yards) AND has touched the ground. (those requirements can be satisfied in either order).

If, after both requirements have been satisfied, and K RECOVERS a free kick, they retain possession of the ball, from the spot of recovery.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Ohio kick off travels 10 yds in the air and caught by K2. Apparently legal play in NCAA??

I knew this was legal in NCAA and assumed it was legal in NFHS when I saw it my second year doing radio. I blasted the refs for calling it KCI. My dad (football, basketball and baseball official for 20+ years) called me that night after I got home and told me to look up the rule. I did and was promptly embarrassed. The next week I corrected myself and even apologized on air to the crew.

Made me want to learn the rules so I don't make a fool of myself anymore.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And illegal in the NFL.

What is the logic in it being legal in one, but not the other?

NFL rule the same as NCAA. Only difference is NCAA extends the protections through a kick that is driven directly into the ground and goes into the air. NFL does not:

A.R. 6.5 ONSIDE KICK—KICKER CATCHES

Team A tries an onside kick which goes into the air and is caught by A2 at the A47: a) No Team B player was near the ball; or b) B2 could have caught ball.
Rulings: a) A’s ball, first-and-10 on A47. Legal catch and recovery. b) B’s ball, first-and-10 on A32. Interference with the opportunity to catch a kick.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

NFL rule the same as NCAA. Only difference is NCAA extends the protections through a kick that is driven directly into the ground and goes into the air. NFL does not:

A.R. 6.5 ONSIDE KICK—KICKER CATCHES

Team A tries an onside kick which goes into the air and is caught by A2 at the A47: a) No Team B player was near the ball; or b) B2 could have caught ball.
Rulings: a) A’s ball, first-and-10 on A47. Legal catch and recovery. b) B’s ball, first-and-10 on A32. Interference with the opportunity to catch a kick.

I only knew the rule even existed at all b/c in Indy's famous 2003 21 point comeback vs. Tampa Bay, the NFL said the officials erred in not penalizing the Colts on their on-side kick recovery that never hit the ground.