Hide Out Play in MHSAA Championship Game

[HLin NC]

Welcome bigjohn! Drop the turkey leg and slowly back away.

[bigjohn]

He explained it to them before the game and they OK'd it! That is really sad that there are officials doing State finals with that kind of Rules knowledge.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

He explained it to them before the game and they OK'd it! That is really sad that there are officials doing State finals with that kind of Rules knowledge.

This serves as a warning, brain farts are an always lurking hidden threat to all of us, regardless of how keen we believe our "Rules knowledge" may be.

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by ajmc

This serves as a warning, brain farts are an always lurking hidden threat to all of us, regardless of how keen we believe our "Rules knowledge" may be.

Also, many coaches fails to describe the play before hand in a way that is accurate. They say one thing and the kids do something different. While all of us here agree this play should have been flagged, it doesn't necessarily mean that the coach described it exactly as it occurred.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Suudy

Also, many coaches fails to describe the play before hand in a way that is accurate. They say one thing and the kids do something different. While all of us here agree this play should have been flagged, it doesn't necessarily mean that the coach described it exactly as it occurred.

That's entirely possible, but doesn't address the fact that the play was left to stand after it was played out on the field.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Suudy

Also, many coaches fails to describe the play before hand in a way that is accurate. They say one thing and the kids do something different. While all of us here agree this play should have been flagged, it doesn't necessarily mean that the coach described it exactly as it occurred.

1. I can't imagine how he could have described this in a way that didn't lead them to believe he was trying a hideout play of some sort.

2. The fact that the coach thinks of this as a trick play is proof that his intent was to use the substitution process to deceive the opponent into leaving a receiver wide open.

3. How it was explained is often different from how it's executed. We don't rule based on how it was explained; we rule on how it's executed. Plus, my first point above.

[bigjohn]

Where's the tee is USC. This play should be as well, just like 9-9-1


9.9.1 SITUATION B: From a field goal formation, potential kicker A1 yells, “Where’s the tee?” A2 replies, “I’ll go get it” and goes legally in motion toward his team’s sideline. Ball is snapped to A1 who throws a touchdown pass to A2. RULING: Unsportsmanlike conduct prior to snap. The ball should be declared dead and the foul enforced as a dead-ball foul. COMMENT: Football has been and always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusu- al formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to con- fuse the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn’t imminent is beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal.

[Publius]

Who flags this play? At what point?

Couldn't this be more easily avoided by making a rule limiting substitutions (to only one or two players, e.g.,) after the ball is RFP?