Instant Replay in HS Championship Games?

[ajmc]

Once again, the question relates to the viability of Instant Replay at the High School Football level..

[OKREF]

Replay at high school level, logistically is just to hard. BTW, that was clearly a fumble in the video, and should have been a touchback.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Replay at high school level, logistically is just to hard. BTW, that was clearly a fumble in the video, and should have been a touchback.

Why is it logistically too hard? In states where games are played at a Division 1 college stadium, shouldn't the facilities already exist? I don't know all that goes into implementing an instant replay system...

As I said in the other thread...It's my opinion that replay should be used in the state championship games.

[Adam]

Rich's point is why play the last game under different rules than the rest of the season?

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Adam

Rich's point is why play the last game under different rules than the rest of the season?

Yes, I understand his point. It's not really under different rules...just that they have a better chance of ultimately getting the play right. It's the same concept as them using instant replay for last second shots in basketball. Why not use the available evidence to get it right?

Just to use the play from the game earlier as an example...that play was a huge swing in the game. It was 23-17 Red when the interception happened. After the play was erroneously ruled a touchdown, Red went for two to make it 31-17, instead of it being White ball at the 20 and down by six. It may not have mattered anyways, as red pulled away the rest of the night...but still, there's no way to predict what would have happened.

There will be a play, someday somewhere, that will be called incorrectly on the field and affect the outcome of the game.

[HLin NC]

Why is it logistically too hard? In states where games are played at a Division 1 college stadium, shouldn't the facilities already exist?

You don't really think they leave all those expensive cameras sitting around out in the elements waiting for the next game to come along, do you? And a production truck parked behind every stadium in the country?

The technical equipment sitting in the replay booth is a mere fraction of the equipment necessary to pull off replay. Most state athletic associations aren't going to go to the expense or can't afford to do it. NC plays 8 finals in 3 different stadiums. Time Warner Cable broadcasts & replays the NC games but they are only in the bigger cities. The DVD copy of my state final last year basically used two camera angles, mid-field and a handheld field camera.

As I said previously, bumping to 7 man is more practical and affordable.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

You don't really think they leave all those expensive cameras sitting around out in the elements waiting for the next game to come along, do you? And a production truck parked behind every stadium in the country?

The technical equipment sitting in the replay booth is a mere fraction of the equipment necessary to pull off replay. Most state athletic associations aren't going to go to the expense or can't afford to do it. NC plays 8 finals in 3 different stadiums. Time Warner Cable broadcasts & replays the NC games but they are only in the bigger cities. The DVD copy of my state final last year basically used two camera angles, mid-field and a handheld field camera.

As I said previously, bumping to 7 man is more practical and affordable.

I'm not an idiot. Who owns the buzzer from the booth to the referee on the field? Seems to me all they need is a broadcast with instant replay capability. Correct me if I'm wrong...seems like a plug and play kind of a thing. If you or anyone else can detail the technical side of an instant replay operation, please do so.

Obviously it would be a state by state thing, depending on how the games are broadcast, if at all.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Yes, I understand his point. It's not really under different rules...just that they have a better chance of ultimately getting the play right. It's the same concept as them using instant replay for last second shots in basketball. Why not use the available evidence to get it right?

Just to use the play from the game earlier as an example...that play was a huge swing in the game. It was 23-17 Red when the interception happened. After the play was erroneously ruled a touchdown, Red went for two to make it 31-17, instead of it being White ball at the 20 and down by six. It may not have mattered anyways, as red pulled away the rest of the night...but still, there's no way to predict what would have happened.

There will be a play, someday somewhere, that will be called incorrectly on the field and affect the outcome of the game.

There already were -- in many other playoff games this year and every year. Forgive me if I don't cry me a river if a call gets missed and the wonders of instant replay don't rush in to make everything right.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Rich

There already were -- in many other playoff games this year and every year. Forgive me if I don't cry me a river if a call gets missed and the wonders of instant replay don't rush in to make everything right.

Consider yourself forgiven. You have your opinion, I have mine. End of story.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Once again, the question relates to the viability of Instant Replay at the High School Football level..

Threads wander. If it gets too far off the rails we'll nudge it back in that direction.

Posting the same thing over and over again doesn't help.

[HLin NC]

How much do you think it costs?

How much do you think a state actually makes on a final?

Do you really think it wants to blow it on replay? Two cameras on the fifty and a handheld sideline camera isn't going to give you the coverage you desire.

Apparently you had some rooting interest in whatever game in WI got ruled a TD. I doubt your state wants to blow several thousands of dollars to rectify the call. Run it by them and see what they say.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

How much do you think it costs?

No idea...that's why I asked.

How much do you think a state actually makes on a final?

Again, no idea

Do you really think it wants to blow it on replay? Two cameras on the fifty and a handheld sideline camera isn't going to give you the coverage you desire.

No, but the coverage was better than that in the Wisconsin games.

Apparently you had some rooting interest in whatever game in WI got ruled a TD. I doubt your state wants to blow several thousands of dollars to rectify the call. Run it by them and see what they say.

Nope, I had zero rooting interest. Just an observer who saw something I thought was worth discussing.

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[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

How much do you think it costs?

How much do you think a state actually makes on a final?

Do you really think it wants to blow it on replay? Two cameras on the fifty and a handheld sideline camera isn't going to give you the coverage you desire.

Apparently you had some rooting interest in whatever game in WI got ruled a TD. I doubt your state wants to blow several thousands of dollars to rectify the call. Run it by them and see what they say.

The other issue is defining the replay rules. The NCAA replay rule is 6 pages long. Sections include Purpose and Philosophy; Eligibility for Instant Replay; Reviewable Plays (scoring plays, passes, dead ball and loose ball, kicks, miscellaneous, limitations on reviewable plays); Instant Replay Personnel, Equipment and Location; Initiating the Replay Process, Reviewing an On-field Ruling (procedures and restrictions); and Reversing an On-Field Ruling.

NFHS or individual states would need to address each of those things and it would only apply to the crews who work the final. It would be the first time any of the people involved would be using the rules, process, and technology. That's a recipe for disaster.

FCS uses replay only on the playoffs, but they are using experienced replay officials and equipment.

Replay is not needed at the HS level.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

The other issue is defining the replay rules. The NCAA replay rule is 6 pages long. Sections include Purpose and Philosophy; Eligibility for Instant Replay; Reviewable Plays (scoring plays, passes, dead ball and loose ball, kicks, miscellaneous, limitations on reviewable plays); Instant Replay Personnel, Equipment and Location; Initiating the Replay Process, Reviewing an On-field Ruling (procedures and restrictions); and Reversing an On-Field Ruling.

NFHS or individual states would need to address each of those things and it would only apply to the crews who work the final. It would be the first time any of the people involved would be using the rules, process, and technology. That's a recipe for disaster.

FCS uses replay only on the playoffs, but they are using experienced replay officials and equipment.

Replay is not needed at the HS level.

Agreed, this is something that in not broken, and doesn't need fixing.