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Old Sun Dec 01, 2013, 08:08am
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How much do you think it costs?

No idea...that's why I asked.

How much do you think a state actually makes on a final?

Again, no idea

Do you really think it wants to blow it on replay? Two cameras on the fifty and a handheld sideline camera isn't going to give you the coverage you desire.

No, but the coverage was better than that in the Wisconsin games.

Apparently you had some rooting interest in whatever game in WI got ruled a TD. I doubt your state wants to blow several thousands of dollars to rectify the call. Run it by them and see what they say.

Nope, I had zero rooting interest. Just an observer who saw something I thought was worth discussing.
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Old Sun Dec 01, 2013, 09:27am
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Correct me if I'm wrong...seems like a plug and play kind of a thing. If you or anyone else can detail the technical side of an instant replay operation, please do so.
Not a plug and play.

For an accurate replay system you need a minimum of 7 cameras.....
Midfield (1)
Goal Lines (2)
Sidelines (2)
20 yard-lines (2)

Anything less and you get yourself into situations where you can't possibly get the angles necessary and have to start making exceptions to what is and isn't reviewable. Too much to deal with rules-wise for one game a year.

Add the camera operators, the production crew in the truck, the man upstairs, video monitors upstairs, and all the trimmings, and you have instant replay capabilities.....

And a ton of cost that goes with it. This isn't AV club or local cable access personnel that's operating this.

Replay is not viable and not practical at the High School level.
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Old Sun Dec 01, 2013, 12:29pm
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I'd rather talk about why the referee wasn't standing at the goal line ready to rule on this fumble, which should've been easy to get.

I know I've been there -- it's easy to want to officiate the blocks as you work in reverse mechanics, but the number one job is getting to the goal line - you have 4 other officials who are cleaning up behind you.
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Old Sun Dec 01, 2013, 02:28pm
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How much do you think it costs?

How much do you think a state actually makes on a final?

Do you really think it wants to blow it on replay? Two cameras on the fifty and a handheld sideline camera isn't going to give you the coverage you desire.

Apparently you had some rooting interest in whatever game in WI got ruled a TD. I doubt your state wants to blow several thousands of dollars to rectify the call. Run it by them and see what they say.
The other issue is defining the replay rules. The NCAA replay rule is 6 pages long. Sections include Purpose and Philosophy; Eligibility for Instant Replay; Reviewable Plays (scoring plays, passes, dead ball and loose ball, kicks, miscellaneous, limitations on reviewable plays); Instant Replay Personnel, Equipment and Location; Initiating the Replay Process, Reviewing an On-field Ruling (procedures and restrictions); and Reversing an On-Field Ruling.

NFHS or individual states would need to address each of those things and it would only apply to the crews who work the final. It would be the first time any of the people involved would be using the rules, process, and technology. That's a recipe for disaster.

FCS uses replay only on the playoffs, but they are using experienced replay officials and equipment.

Replay is not needed at the HS level.
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Old Sun Dec 01, 2013, 03:13pm
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The other issue is defining the replay rules. The NCAA replay rule is 6 pages long. Sections include Purpose and Philosophy; Eligibility for Instant Replay; Reviewable Plays (scoring plays, passes, dead ball and loose ball, kicks, miscellaneous, limitations on reviewable plays); Instant Replay Personnel, Equipment and Location; Initiating the Replay Process, Reviewing an On-field Ruling (procedures and restrictions); and Reversing an On-Field Ruling.

NFHS or individual states would need to address each of those things and it would only apply to the crews who work the final. It would be the first time any of the people involved would be using the rules, process, and technology. That's a recipe for disaster.

FCS uses replay only on the playoffs, but they are using experienced replay officials and equipment.

Replay is not needed at the HS level.
Agreed, this is something that in not broken, and doesn't need fixing.
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