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Old Sun Nov 03, 2013, 01:08pm
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Definition of a defenseless player:
ARTICLE 14. A defenseless player is one who because his physical position and focus of concentration is especially vulnerable to injury. Examples of defenseless players are:
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b. A receiver attempting to catch a pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
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Also, you need to consider the Note in the rulebook after rules 9-1-3 and 9-1-4:

Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with an apparent intent that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating contact with the crown of the helmet


(emphasis mine)

In no way do the actions of #80 in this clip come anywhere close to targeting, under either the spirit or the letter of the rule.
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Old Sun Nov 03, 2013, 01:46pm
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Before people pile on too much, I can accept that people feel he was making a play on the ball. I'm not sure that I necessarily agree, but can concede that point.

I thought twice about posting the clip because I knew that people would be focused on the specifics of THAT particular play. While I did a poor job of communicating it last night, I was more curious about whether a B player could be considered a defenseless player on a play like this under the current rule language.
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Old Sun Nov 03, 2013, 02:27pm
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Before people pile on too much, I can accept that people feel he was making a play on the ball. I'm not sure that I necessarily agree, but can concede that point.

I thought twice about posting the clip because I knew that people would be focused on the specifics of THAT particular play. While I did a poor job of communicating it last night, I was more curious about whether a B player could be considered a defenseless player on a play like this under the current rule language.
You posted this play as an example. Whatelse did you expect people to say?

And yes the defensive player could be considered defenseless in this kind of situation, but that would only be if someone launched at them or hit them in the head and this is not that situation.

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Old Sun Nov 03, 2013, 02:35pm
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I can't even believe that anyone would consider this as targeting. We have to use common sense. He was going after the ball trying to knock it loose and missed, nothing more. Why do we always have to go looking for things when they aren't there. This play never even makes my radar.
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