No auto 1st down for DPI burns a team

[scrounge]

So I've finally seen firsthand how a team can get burned by the new rule eliminating automatic first down from DPI.

Freshmen game yesterday, great back and forth. Team A drives to tie the game with just over a minute left but then promptly gives up a 65 yard run on the first play of scrimmage after the kickoff to allow B to go up by 6. A gets a relatively short kickoff and starts driving.

Anyway, with 12 seconds left, it's now 4th and 7 on the 12, clock stopped after A uses their last time out. A throws into the end zone in the corner away from me, it looks like the defender comes through the shoulder of the receiver from behind to bat away the pass, and sure enough the flag is thrown. 7 seconds on the clock, half the distance to the 6 but now 4th and 1, no timeouts. The expected "ISN'T THAT FIRST DOWN????" comes from the stands (not the sidelines, there was a similar but much less eventful DPI earlier in the game, so the coaches knew). Team A doesn't feel confident enough to risk a pass play since it's 4th down, so they run it to get the 1st down. Only 2 secs on the clock and it runs to 0 after the ready for play and spike. They're furious, home team B is celebrating, and we're running off.

I really hope that the AFD gets reinstated, at least in the red zone if not everywhere. Having 4th and 1 vs 1st and goal completely changes the play calling and strategy. But them's the rules this year.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by scrounge

So I've finally seen firsthand how a team can get burned by the new rule eliminating automatic first down from DPI.

Freshmen game yesterday, great back and forth. Team A drives to tie the game with just over a minute left but then promptly gives up a 65 yard run on the first play of scrimmage after the kickoff to allow B to go up by 6. A gets a relatively short kickoff and starts driving.

Anyway, with 12 seconds left, it's now 4th and 7 on the 12, clock stopped after A uses their last time out. A throws into the end zone in the corner away from me, it looks like the defender comes through the shoulder of the receiver from behind to bat away the pass, and sure enough the flag is thrown. 7 seconds on the clock, half the distance to the 6 but now 4th and 1, no timeouts. The expected "ISN'T THAT FIRST DOWN????" comes from the stands (not the sidelines, there was a similar but much less eventful DPI earlier in the game, so the coaches knew). Team A doesn't feel confident enough to risk a pass play since it's 4th down, so they run it to get the 1st down. Only 2 secs on the clock and it runs to 0 after the ready for play and spike. They're furious, home team B is celebrating, and we're running off.

I really hope that the AFD gets reinstated, at least in the red zone if not everywhere. Having 4th and 1 vs 1st and goal completely changes the play calling and strategy. But them's the rules this year.

Seems like with two seconds only one play could be run regardless. No?

[KWH]

Don't hold your breath.
The AFD for DPI is not likely to return in NFHS anytime soon.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KWH

Don't hold your breath.
The AFD for DPI is not likely to return in NFHS anytime soon.

Well that is not what I heard. Then again I am sure different people across the country have different perspectives how much support they have either way.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Seems like with two seconds only one play could be run regardless. No?

They had 7 seconds. Could have run two plays if the first had been a pass into the endzone.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Adam

They had 7 seconds. Could have run two plays if the first had been a pass into the endzone.

Not on 4th and 1....unless they are hoping for another PI foul.

[HLin NC]

Our state super felt pretty confident that the AFD will re-enter next season.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by Altor

Not on 4th and 1....unless they are hoping for another PI foul.

Well, that's kind of the point though....if it was 1st down as it would have been last year, you can call two plays with throws into the EZ, or throw on 1st and leave a run/pass option on the last play or whatever. But having it be 4th down changes the calculus completely.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Altor

Not on 4th and 1....unless they are hoping for another PI foul.

Um ... that's exactly his point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Altor

Not on 4th and 1....unless they are hoping for another PI foul.

Would have been 1st and goal last year. I think that was his point.

[Rich]

I've given up having an opinion about the rules. Except, of course, that the other 48 states should adopt NCAA rules.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've given up having an opinion about the rules. Except, of course, that the other 48 states should adopt NCAA rules.

You think that HS officials (considering some college officials struggle with this too) fouls the determine BBW and the Tackle box? Better yet or have to get the "umpire rule" right on DPIs?

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You think that HS officials (considering some college officials struggle with this too) fouls the determine BBW and the Tackle box? Better yet or have to get the "umpire rule" right on DPIs?

Peace

OK...I'll bite...what is the "umpire rule"?

There could be some challenges to your typical HS official learning the NCAA rules but in general I think the NCAA rules are better. Low blocks is NOT one of them.

[JRutledge]

When you have DPI at the 17 or under, you go to the flag or the 2 yard line, which ever comes first.

I also agree that many NCAA rules might make sense, but they would not be appropriate for all the participants. Remember a lot of NF rules are for safety purposes and many NCAA rules would create more contact or more dangerous contact. And then you have to have officials that understand some basics and they don't. I see officials that do small college struggle with even simple interpretations from the NCAA. Now you want a first year guy trying to decide when you have encroachment that should be shut down or not shut down? And at least they have 7 officials at that level when some levels will have 2 in some cases where I live. No thank you!!!

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You think that HS officials (considering some college officials struggle with this too) fouls the determine BBW and the Tackle box? Better yet or have to get the "umpire rule" right on DPIs?

Peace

Every high school official I work with would have no problem with this... then again, I'm in Texas.