No auto 1st down for DPI burns a team

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Adam

They had 7 seconds. Could have run two plays if the first had been a pass into the endzone.

Not on 4th and 1....unless they are hoping for another PI foul.

[HLin NC]

Our state super felt pretty confident that the AFD will re-enter next season.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by Altor

Not on 4th and 1....unless they are hoping for another PI foul.

Well, that's kind of the point though....if it was 1st down as it would have been last year, you can call two plays with throws into the EZ, or throw on 1st and leave a run/pass option on the last play or whatever. But having it be 4th down changes the calculus completely.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Altor

Not on 4th and 1....unless they are hoping for another PI foul.

Um ... that's exactly his point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Altor

Not on 4th and 1....unless they are hoping for another PI foul.

Would have been 1st and goal last year. I think that was his point.

[Rich]

I've given up having an opinion about the rules. Except, of course, that the other 48 states should adopt NCAA rules.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've given up having an opinion about the rules. Except, of course, that the other 48 states should adopt NCAA rules.

You think that HS officials (considering some college officials struggle with this too) fouls the determine BBW and the Tackle box? Better yet or have to get the "umpire rule" right on DPIs?

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You think that HS officials (considering some college officials struggle with this too) fouls the determine BBW and the Tackle box? Better yet or have to get the "umpire rule" right on DPIs?

Peace

OK...I'll bite...what is the "umpire rule"?

There could be some challenges to your typical HS official learning the NCAA rules but in general I think the NCAA rules are better. Low blocks is NOT one of them.

[JRutledge]

When you have DPI at the 17 or under, you go to the flag or the 2 yard line, which ever comes first.

I also agree that many NCAA rules might make sense, but they would not be appropriate for all the participants. Remember a lot of NF rules are for safety purposes and many NCAA rules would create more contact or more dangerous contact. And then you have to have officials that understand some basics and they don't. I see officials that do small college struggle with even simple interpretations from the NCAA. Now you want a first year guy trying to decide when you have encroachment that should be shut down or not shut down? And at least they have 7 officials at that level when some levels will have 2 in some cases where I live. No thank you!!!

Peace

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When you have DPI at the 17 or under, you go to the flag or the 2 yard line, which ever comes first.

I also agree that many NCAA rules might make sense, but they would not be appropriate for all the participants. Remember a lot of NF rules are for safety purposes and many NCAA rules would create more contact or more dangerous contact. And then you have to have officials that understand some basics and they don't. I see officials that do small college struggle with even simple interpretations from the NCAA. Now you want a first year guy trying to decide when you have encroachment that should be shut down or not shut down? And at least they have 7 officials at that level when some levels will have 2 in some cases where I live. No thank you!!!

Peace

Know that enforcement well but never heard it called the "umpire rule".

I think Texas and Massachuessets have proven that high school officials CAN learn NCAA rules. Those of us who first learn HS rules and then learn NCAA rules may get confused because they are different than what we know. If you start with NCAA rules they are all just new. It's not a major issue for me but I definitely enjoy working games under NCAA rules over HS rules.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You think that HS officials (considering some college officials struggle with this too) fouls the determine BBW and the Tackle box? Better yet or have to get the "umpire rule" right on DPIs?

Peace

Every high school official I work with would have no problem with this... then again, I'm in Texas.