IHC on offense?

[CT1]

Far be it from me to pile on, BigJohn, but you're 100% wrong. The stiff-arm is legal & the QB did not lower his head to deliver a blow or punish the defender with his helmet.

Remember: Not all helmet-to-helmet contact is illegal.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Honestly at the HS level, it does not happened that often. Players are have been taught to not do these things. I cannot think of many times I have even seen a launch other then sometimes on a block. Then again, still rather rare. It has been called, but not every game or every other game. Usually a player misses.

Peace

I agree. Most HS games I work don't see the type of targeting/launching seen at the college and NFL level. There is some, but it won't be as hard to get out of the HS game.

[asdf]

Agreed, the speed of the collegiate and pro game is so much greater than that of the HS game, creating more opportunities for launching/targeting.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

it got down in the 40s by 4th quarter.

I need to move.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I agree. Most HS games I work don't see the type of targeting/launching seen at the college and NFL level. There is some, but it won't be as hard to get out of the HS game.

I've seen a few launch like targeting fouls in HS games here but they are few and far between compared to college.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's an easy foul for the R. I find it sad that the wings couldn't keep up with kids that young, though.

I don't know if it was as much can't as won't. He was trailing fine for a while and then started mailing it in.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I don't know if it was as much can't as won't. He was trailing fine for a while and then started mailing it in.

Many wing officials accept the challenge to cross the goal line WITH the runner, no matter how long the run. However, in a 3 or 4 man configuration there's often nobody following the wing official watching what's going on behind the runner.

On a long run, the Referee and Umpire can be delayed by action around the original scrimmage line, so once the runner appears in the clear, the wing official slows down to observe the trailing action, but often that area 15 yards, or more behind the runner and a long way from the original scrimmage line is likely an expanding "no man's land" to some extent, in 3 or 4 man coverage.

The solution, of course, is adding a 4th, 5th or 6th man, which is a game management decision.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Many wing officials accept the challenge to cross the goal line WITH the runner, no matter how long the run. However, in a 3 or 4 man configuration there's often nobody following the wing official watching what's going on behind the runner.

On a long run, the Referee and Umpire can be delayed by action around the original scrimmage line, so once the runner appears in the clear, the wing official slows down to observe the trailing action, but often that area 15 yards, or more behind the runner and a long way from the original scrimmage line is likely an expanding "no man's land" to some extent, in 3 or 4 man coverage.

The solution, of course, is adding a 4th, 5th or 6th man, which is a game management decision.

I disagree, quite a bit actually. The linesman running with the runner needs to be there with or ahead of the runner. (Signalling a TD while running looks absurd), and should be looking at the trailing action from in FRONT (i.e. with the runner). The opposite linesman can and should trail the action to pick up what you're calling no-man's land. I do agree that R could be far behind the play, especially if there's no U, as he should not pass players to pick up the trail of the play --- he could just as easily miss transgressions behind him were he to do so.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I disagree, quite a bit actually. The linesman running with the runner needs to be there with or ahead of the runner. (Signalling a TD while running looks absurd), and should be looking at the trailing action from in FRONT (i.e. with the runner). The opposite linesman can and should trail the action to pick up what you're calling no-man's land. I do agree that R could be far behind the play, especially if there's no U, as he should not pass players to pick up the trail of the play --- he could just as easily miss transgressions behind him were he to do so.

In a 3-man or 4-man crew, I agree. There's nobody on the goal line. The wing has to try to get there.

In 5-man, I'd rather the wing trail the runner unless the pylon's threatened. The BJ has the goal line.

In 6-man and 7-man, there's a deep wing on the pylon already.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I disagree, quite a bit actually. The linesman running with the runner needs to be there with or ahead of the runner. (Signalling a TD while running looks absurd), and should be looking at the trailing action from in FRONT (i.e. with the runner). The opposite linesman can and should trail the action to pick up what you're calling no-man's land. I do agree that R could be far behind the play, especially if there's no U, as he should not pass players to pick up the trail of the play --- he could just as easily miss transgressions behind him were he to do so.

I agree with the R hanging back. I won't pass opposing players if I'm the R. If there's just one player from one team, I'll pass him, but remember that he's there.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I don't know if it was as much can't as won't. He was trailing fine for a while and then started mailing it in.

Speaking from a practical standpoint:

Many youth leagues play multiple games back-to-back using the same 3 officials for all games. If we're working a three-game set in hot weather, and a player breaks for an obvious TD, I don't have a problem with my wings "saving steps".

Would I *prefer* that he lead the runner? Sure. But I don't have a hissy fit if he's a little ways behind as long as he can officiate what he needs to.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CT1

Speaking from a practical standpoint:

Many youth leagues play multiple games back-to-back using the same 3 officials for all games. If we're working a three-game set in hot weather, and a player breaks for an obvious TD, I don't have a problem with my wings "saving steps".

Would I *prefer* that he lead the runner? Sure. But I don't have a hissy fit if he's a little ways behind as long as he can officiate what he needs to.

I would not want anyone leading the runner in any situation like that or any set of mechanics as a short wing. You are going to get in the middle of the play if you are leading the runner and be more in survival mode then officiating mode.

But you are certainly right about doing multiple games.

Peace