IHC on offense?

[jTheUmp]

No illegal helmet contact foul.

Dead-ball PF on White #14 just after the touchdown.

[MD Longhorn]

Big John, this is why still photos are worthless. Given just the photo there, I can see why one might think this is illegal. Given the video, though --- it's not even remotely close.

And while I know you're one for pushing the envelope ... I'm honestly kind of surprised you would think this one was illegal.

PS - posting a ton of words doesn't make you more right.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Dead-ball PF on White #14 just after the touchdown.

Absolutely. Hopefully in 3-man, ref is trailing and catches this.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Absolutely. Hopefully in 3-man, ref is trailing and catches this.

Those of us who will work 3-man.

Even our youth ball is 4 here. I've haven't worked 3-man in years.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Those of us who will work 3-man.

Even our youth ball is 4 here. I've haven't worked 3-man in years.

Heck then 2 man would blow your mind.

Well I have worked 3 man and not sure why this would not have been called. And the game at that level is so slow it should have jumped out at you from the Referee position for sure.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Heck then 2 man would blow your mind.

Well I have worked 3 man and not sure why this would not have been called. And the game at that level is so slow it should have jumped out at you from the Referee position for sure.

Peace

It's an easy foul for the R. I find it sad that the wings couldn't keep up with kids that young, though.

[OKREF]

The first penalty is when the right guard is in his three point stance, comes out of it and then returns. Not saying I would call it at this level.

[bigjohn]

Any initiation of contact with the helmet is illegal; therefore, there must be a focus on
enforcing the existing rules. This year, the committee is taking the step to emphasize all
types of illegal helmet contact:

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's an easy foul for the R. I find it sad that the wings couldn't keep up with kids that young, though.

I don't know if it was as much can't as won't. He was trailing fine for a while and then started mailing it in.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I don't know if it was as much can't as won't. He was trailing fine for a while and then started mailing it in.

Many wing officials accept the challenge to cross the goal line WITH the runner, no matter how long the run. However, in a 3 or 4 man configuration there's often nobody following the wing official watching what's going on behind the runner.

On a long run, the Referee and Umpire can be delayed by action around the original scrimmage line, so once the runner appears in the clear, the wing official slows down to observe the trailing action, but often that area 15 yards, or more behind the runner and a long way from the original scrimmage line is likely an expanding "no man's land" to some extent, in 3 or 4 man coverage.

The solution, of course, is adding a 4th, 5th or 6th man, which is a game management decision.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I don't know if it was as much can't as won't. He was trailing fine for a while and then started mailing it in.

Speaking from a practical standpoint:

Many youth leagues play multiple games back-to-back using the same 3 officials for all games. If we're working a three-game set in hot weather, and a player breaks for an obvious TD, I don't have a problem with my wings "saving steps".

Would I *prefer* that he lead the runner? Sure. But I don't have a hissy fit if he's a little ways behind as long as he can officiate what he needs to.

[CT1]

Far be it from me to pile on, BigJohn, but you're 100% wrong. The stiff-arm is legal & the QB did not lower his head to deliver a blow or punish the defender with his helmet.

Remember: Not all helmet-to-helmet contact is illegal.