PAT Holder

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

Wrong on both.

In fact it would be hard to figure a situation where the kick is attempted and he's still holding the ball! You mean the kicker wiffed? Actually if the kicker did wiff, then there'd no longer be anyone in position to kick the ball, so if he were still holding the ball and had a knee down, it would be dead.

I beg to differ, Robert. As you may note from the quoting of 4.2.2 and the Exception above, the requirement for "with a teammate in kicking position" relates to, "The ball remains live if, at the snap.

A teammate in a kicking position, at the snap, who fakes (or otherwise "wiffs" a kick), does NOT kill the ball or prevent the holder who, "rises to advance, hand, kick or pass" from doing so.