PSK enforcement on a touchback

[RyanBuckingham]

This is my first post, so please be gentle.

I'm now the R on my crew, and in hopes of staying sharp all off-season, I am sending bi-weekly quizzes to my crew. First one involves this scenario:

K has 4th and 10 from the 50 yard line. K11 punts to R1 who muffs the punt and the ball bounces into the end zone where it is recovered by K9. Before the kick ends, R2 holds K10 at R's 12 yard line.

What is the enforcement spot following the touchback? I say the PSK spot is where the kick ends (end zone), therefore the enforcement is from R's 20-yard line. Another guy on my crew says the PSK spot is from the 12-yard line since that spot is behind the 20 yard line.

Who is right? My reference is Rule 10.4.3

[gtwbam]

In your example the 20 yard line is the basic spot for PSK enforcement. Since the Foul occurs behind the basic spot, the penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul. Therefore; penalty should be enforced from the 12 yard line. After enforcement, it will be 1st and 10 from the 6 yard line.

[HLin NC]

Think this through-

What is the basic spot?

Where did the foul occur?

A foul behind the basic spot is enforced from where?

Also read the last sentence in 10-4-3 again.

You owe the other guy on your crew. I'm betting he's the linesman.

[footballref]

Originally Posted by RyanBuckingham

K11 punts to R1 who muffs the punt and the ball bounces into the end zone where it is recovered by K9.

This may be knit picking but it may help out as well. There is no recovery by K9 here...the ball is dead as soon as it breaks the plane.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Think this through-

What is the basic spot?

Where did the foul occur?

A foul behind the basic spot is enforced from where?

Also read the last sentence in 10-4-3 again.

You owe the other guy on your crew. I'm betting he's the linesman.

Perfectly stated.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Think this through-

What is the basic spot?

Where did the foul occur?

A foul behind the basic spot is enforced from where?

Also read the last sentence in 10-4-3 again.

You owe the other guy on your crew. I'm betting he's the linesman.

Nah, he's the U.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by footballref

This may be knit picking but it may help out as well. There is no recovery by K9 here...the ball is dead as soon as it breaks the plane.

Depends on the rule set.

Edited to add: Never mind. I see from the OP that this is NFHS.

[footballref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Depends on the rule set.

Edited to add: Never mind. I see from the OP that this is NFHS.

Would it not have been a TD for the kicking team in anything other than Fed?

[RyanBuckingham]

Thanks!

The more I thought about this, the more I thought the other guy was right. Otherwise, what would be the disadvantage for R to not go drill a guy inside the 20 yard line on the return, say from inside the 10?

[maven]

It sounds to me as if the OP might have thought that PSK and ABO are incompatible. Not so: PSK gives us the basic spot, then ABO applies as well, as HLinNC's sequence of questions suggests.

Thanks for the quiz question!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RyanBuckingham

Thanks!

The more I thought about this, the more I thought the other guy was right. Otherwise, what would be the disadvantage for R to not go drill a guy inside the 20 yard line on the return, say from inside the 10?

It's pretty easy once you have the basic principals down. Find the basic spot, find the spot of the foul, does ABO (or 3-and-1 in NCAA rules) apply.

Speaking of the rest of the thread, in my experience the R is the one with the detailed enforcement knowledge and the crew saves the R about once or twice a season.

[HLin NC]

Nah, he's the U.

U's too busy looking for his
while the crew hashes it out.

[Welpe]

The U is busy making sure the R is facing the right direction and has the drool wiped off his chin.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

The U is busy making sure the R is facing the right direction and has the drool wiped off his chin.

And the R is making sure the U isn't going the wrong direction when marking off penalty yardage.

[Welpe]

Shut up.