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RyanBuckingham Sat Feb 09, 2013 09:31am

PSK enforcement on a touchback
 
This is my first post, so please be gentle.

I'm now the R on my crew, and in hopes of staying sharp all off-season, I am sending bi-weekly quizzes to my crew. First one involves this scenario:

K has 4th and 10 from the 50 yard line. K11 punts to R1 who muffs the punt and the ball bounces into the end zone where it is recovered by K9. Before the kick ends, R2 holds K10 at R's 12 yard line.

What is the enforcement spot following the touchback? I say the PSK spot is where the kick ends (end zone), therefore the enforcement is from R's 20-yard line. Another guy on my crew says the PSK spot is from the 12-yard line since that spot is behind the 20 yard line.

Who is right? My reference is Rule 10.4.3

gtwbam Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:30am

In your example the 20 yard line is the basic spot for PSK enforcement. Since the Foul occurs behind the basic spot, the penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul. Therefore; penalty should be enforced from the 12 yard line. After enforcement, it will be 1st and 10 from the 6 yard line.

HLin NC Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:07pm

Think this through-

What is the basic spot?

Where did the foul occur?

A foul behind the basic spot is enforced from where?

Also read the last sentence in 10-4-3 again.

You owe the other guy on your crew. I'm betting he's the linesman.:cool:

footballref Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanBuckingham (Post 878013)
K11 punts to R1 who muffs the punt and the ball bounces into the end zone where it is recovered by K9.

This may be knit picking but it may help out as well. There is no recovery by K9 here...the ball is dead as soon as it breaks the plane.

Welpe Sat Feb 09, 2013 01:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 878040)
Think this through-

What is the basic spot?

Where did the foul occur?

A foul behind the basic spot is enforced from where?

Also read the last sentence in 10-4-3 again.

You owe the other guy on your crew. I'm betting he's the linesman.:cool:

Perfectly stated.

BktBallRef Sat Feb 09, 2013 08:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HLin NC (Post 878040)
Think this through-

What is the basic spot?

Where did the foul occur?

A foul behind the basic spot is enforced from where?

Also read the last sentence in 10-4-3 again.

You owe the other guy on your crew. I'm betting he's the linesman.:cool:

Nah, he's the U.

Rich Sat Feb 09, 2013 08:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by footballref (Post 878045)
This may be knit picking but it may help out as well. There is no recovery by K9 here...the ball is dead as soon as it breaks the plane.

Depends on the rule set.

Edited to add: Never mind. I see from the OP that this is NFHS.

footballref Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 878105)
Depends on the rule set.

Edited to add: Never mind. I see from the OP that this is NFHS.

:) Would it not have been a TD for the kicking team in anything other than Fed? :D

RyanBuckingham Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:45am

Thanks!

The more I thought about this, the more I thought the other guy was right. Otherwise, what would be the disadvantage for R to not go drill a guy inside the 20 yard line on the return, say from inside the 10?

maven Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:01am

It sounds to me as if the OP might have thought that PSK and ABO are incompatible. Not so: PSK gives us the basic spot, then ABO applies as well, as HLinNC's sequence of questions suggests. :)

Thanks for the quiz question!

Rich Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanBuckingham (Post 878203)
Thanks!

The more I thought about this, the more I thought the other guy was right. Otherwise, what would be the disadvantage for R to not go drill a guy inside the 20 yard line on the return, say from inside the 10?

It's pretty easy once you have the basic principals down. Find the basic spot, find the spot of the foul, does ABO (or 3-and-1 in NCAA rules) apply.

Speaking of the rest of the thread, in my experience the R is the one with the detailed enforcement knowledge and the crew saves the R about once or twice a season. :D

HLin NC Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:55pm

Quote:

Nah, he's the U.
U's too busy looking for his http://images4.fanpop.com/image/phot...84-475-357.jpg
while the crew hashes it out.:p

Welpe Sun Feb 10, 2013 05:23pm

The U is busy making sure the R is facing the right direction and has the drool wiped off his chin. :D

Rich Sun Feb 10, 2013 06:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 878273)
The U is busy making sure the R is facing the right direction and has the drool wiped off his chin. :D

And the R is making sure the U isn't going the wrong direction when marking off penalty yardage. :D

Welpe Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:11pm

Shut up. :p


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