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I'm trying to figure out what you're asking. If the issue was whether the ball was loose before it was ruled dead (by virtue of TD), any action that occurred after the dead ball indication should be ignored, so who cares about the spot if the fumble were recovered? Then it's just a question of TD vs. inadvertent whistle.
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Even if he didn't cross the goal line... is this really a fumble given that it did not hit the ground?
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Yes as it was a loss of player possession from an act that wasn't a kick or pass.
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So, for example, if the running back had been deemed on replay to have lost the ball before the ball crossed the plane, and it had been recovered by the defense, it would be a turnover, not a dead ball, even if a whistle had blown or TD or other dead ball signal given. Edit: For completeness, I guess I should also add going out of bounds in the end zone before recovery, which would have been touch back notwithstanding a whistle or TD signal. Last edited by rulesmaven; Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 12:36pm. |
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This is just like any other down vs. fumble play. If replay shows a player fumbling before the play is over, and replay also shows a clear recovery, the ball is dead and it's the recovering team's ball at that spot. The same would be true if a runner was ruled OOB and fumbled and there's a recovery in the immediate action following the fumble.
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Yes
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Also, its not perceived as a problem at the high school level so there is no need to change the rule. |
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Upon further review, however, my initial analysis might have been off. The rule is more limited than I understood when I posted. By its terms, it only applies to cases in which a runner is ruled down by contact or a pass is deemed incomplete. In either case, if the whistle is sounded, but the it turns out the runner was not down by contact or there was a catch, the defense can recover a subsequent fumble notwithstanding an official having sounded his whistle. Does this apply to goal line plays? Clearly, I think, if the whistle is not sounded, the ball remains live despite a call of TD. But if the whistle sounds, a technical reading of the rule would indicate that even if the play is deemed to have been a fumble not a TD on replay, the whistle would preclude the defenders from obtaining possession. My sense, however, is that the rule is not generally enforced by its plain terms and read more broadly. Moreover, I do not know whether it is a proper mechanic in the NFL to sound the whistle upon a TD call. What I am sure of is that I sincerely hope that none of you ever has a rule named after you. ![]() |
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