Block in BIG 10 Championship

[maven]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Where is your rules reference?

NFHS 9-4-3g

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maven

NFHS 9-4-3g

I do not have my football rulebooks in front of me, but since when did this become a High School Game?

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not have my football rulebooks in front of me, but since when did this become a High School Game?

Peace

What, you didn't know the Big 10 Championship Game was officiated under high school rules?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

What, you didn't know the Big 10 Championship Game was officiated under high school rules?

Next thing he will try to show me is the rule on the crack back blocks.

Peace

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Next thing he will try to show me is the rule on the crack back blocks.

Peace

This comment, at least in my experience, isn't as frequent nowadays. Granted, I've only been officiating a little over 10 years, but I don't hear this complaint from the sidelines near as much now as when I started.

[maven]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not have my football rulebooks in front of me, but since when did this become a High School Game?

Peace

I didn't have the NCAA book in front of me, but it's in all codes.

Look at the first sentence of NCAA 9-1.

Let me know if you need me to read it to you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maven

I didn't have the NCAA book in front of me, but it's in all codes.

Look at the first sentence of NCAA 9-1.

Let me know if you need me to read it to you.

Well get an IPad or some kind of smart phone and this will be easily available to you.

But for the record this is what 9-1 says:

All fouls in this section (unless noted) and any other acts of unnecessary roughness are personal fouls. For flagrant personal fouls mandating conference review, see Rule 9-6. The penalties for all personal fouls are as follows.

Not seeing anything that says this hit was unnecessary.

Here is what 9-1-12 says:
Contact Against an Opponent Out of the Play

ARTICLE 12.

a. No player shall tackle or run into a receiver when a forward pass to him obviously is not catchable. This is a personal foul and not pass interference.

b. No player shall run into or throw himself against an opponent obviously out of the play either before or after the ball is dead.

He was pretty much in the play.

And with all due respect I do not care what the NF Rules are as it relates to this call. It is not relevant as the game has different examples of contact or actions that are more specific than anything the NF puts out in their books.

Peace

[Texas Aggie]

I care if a rule has been violated here.

That's correct, but the point he made, and its the same one I made earlier, is that this type of block will soon be illegal. Probably next year. If you decide you want to wait until it is illegal to discuss it, fine, but I think its worth talking about now.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

That's correct, but the point he made, and its the same one I made earlier, is that this type of block will soon be illegal. Probably next year. If you decide you want to wait until it is illegal to discuss it, fine, but I think its worth talking about now.

Well that is fine, but it is not in the rulebook now. I would not have called a foul on this on the field this year unless I felt their was helmet contact. That was my only point.

Peace

[maven]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well that is fine, but it is not in the rulebook now. I would not have called a foul on this on the field this year unless I felt their was helmet contact. That was my only point.

Everyone gets your point. You don't like a flag here. Fine, at present it's a borderline case, and you're entitled to your opinion (until your supervisor tells you otherwise).

But denying that there's a rule is sticking your head in the sand. UNR is a foul. You say that rule doesn't apply to this play, and others say it does.

The game is not evolving (at every level) in the direction of ruling these hits UNR. That's the point worth discussing.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

That's correct, but the point he made, and its the same one I made earlier, is that this type of block will soon be illegal.

What is this "type" of block? A violent one? A shoulder block? A block where the primary point of contact is above the numbers on the uniform?

Once you get the players up to a certain speed, there's no way to make any block at a certain point without its being violent. If the peel back blocker had slowed down, he'd've simply missed the block or been using his hands illegally on the opponent's back. If he'd left his feet to make a lower block, chances are fairly good he'd've made the kind of contact that, while possibly legal under the rules he was playing by, is complained about as dangerous to the opponent's knees.

A few months ago I put together for our 12U team a drill that involved players running at an angle to each other, wherein one possible outcome was a hit like that. The players weren't going as fast as these, and because they knew the parameters of the drill, they were not caught off guard, but I did expect some hits to look approximately like that, and one or two did.