Lockout over!!!

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

I saw some rust on Mike Carey's crew at the St. Louis game today while I was in attendance...


Several dropped balls during tossing them to set for play.
Carey pointed the wrong way on penalties twice.
I thought there was two DPI calls that were missed (one for STL and one for SEA).
The umpire fell backing out for a punt formation.

Just a little rusty from what I saw. Nothing that can't be worked out in a couple weeks though!

There were a number of gaffes over the first Sunday with the regulars that, had these calls been made by the replacements, the media would had renewed its feeding frenzy.

The biggest was the fumble by Sproles in the NO/GB game that could have victimized the Packers for the second straight week. It would have been interesting to hear the press conferences and read the tweets if GB hadn't come back to win that one.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

There were a number of gaffes over the first Sunday with the regulars that, had these calls been made by the replacements, the media would had renewed its feeding frenzy.

The biggest was the fumble by Sproles in the NO/GB game that could have victimized the Packers for the second straight week. It would have been interesting to hear the press conferences and read the tweets if GB hadn't come back to win that one.

Well, the mistakes were surely less.

Regarding GB, though, I watched that whole game - and wondered at BOTH of Green Bay's challenges. The first was as GB was driving in the 2nd. It was an incomplete pass - winning the challenge would have made it about 3rd and goal from the 5 or 6 rather than from the 12. So the reward was small - and the risk high, as it was rather clear to me it was incomplete. Whoever told him otherwise should be canned.

The second was early in the 3rd quarter, on a simple first down completion by New Orleans in the middle of the field. Yes - a successful challenge means NO has to punt, but still - medium reward, and high risk again, given it was their 2nd challenge and it looked to me to be obviously complete.

I honestly don't think Green Bay can ***** about the fumble given that they gave away their 2 challenges for nothing. Coaches forget these are limited and challenge stupid crap like these two plays. Save them for IMPORTANT challenges, and for goodness sake, get someone in your booth that has a clue and will tell you when a challenge is likely to be upheld.

[Trap]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Well, the mistakes were surely less.

Regarding GB, though, I watched that whole game - and wondered at BOTH of Green Bay's challenges. The first was as GB was driving in the 2nd. It was an incomplete pass - winning the challenge would have made it about 3rd and goal from the 5 or 6 rather than from the 12. So the reward was small - and the risk high, as it was rather clear to me it was incomplete. Whoever told him otherwise should be canned.

The second was early in the 3rd quarter, on a simple first down completion by New Orleans in the middle of the field. Yes - a successful challenge means NO has to punt, but still - medium reward, and high risk again, given it was their 2nd challenge and it looked to me to be obviously complete.

I honestly don't think Green Bay can ***** about the fumble given that they gave away their 2 challenges for nothing. Coaches forget these are limited and challenge stupid crap like these two plays. Save them for IMPORTANT challenges, and for goodness sake, get someone in your booth that has a clue and will tell you when a challenge is likely to be upheld.

I think the first challenge was a bad challenge without a doubt. The second one not so bad, I would predict 75% of the time they would win that challenge, but not yesterday.

But regardless, when a ball carrier is standing up and fumbles and you rule down by contact, that is not a good call. Even if you accept the premise that GB f'd up on using their challenges, doesn't mean it wan't a bad call. Just as a team shouldn't blame an official for their mistake, an official shouldn't blame a team for his. ( I suspect the officials involved would take responsibility)

Also even if they had a reviewchallenge left, it would have been ruled a fumble, with no clear video evidence of recovery and NO would have kept the ball. So GB would have lost out either way.

[Trap]

I do think there was a bit of a double standard regarding the replacement officials. Everything they did wrong, they were crucified. In the games yesterday, the mistakes (real or perceived) of the "original" refs were pointed out and let go.

I do think there was a big difference in adminstration of a game, but the calls, at least from what I saw yesterday weren't much different.

Don't get me wrong, NOT critizing, just saying the reporting was different.

[Adam]

It's a honeymoon. Should be over after tonight.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Trap

I do think there was a bit of a double standard regarding the replacement officials. Everything they did wrong, they were crucified. In the games yesterday, the mistakes (real or perceived) of the "original" refs were pointed out and let go.

I do think there was a big difference in adminstration of a game, but the calls, at least from what I saw yesterday weren't much different.

Don't get me wrong, NOT critizing, just saying the reporting was different.

Of course that is true. But also keep in mind the mistakes that were made this weekend, we common things that happen. I think the fumble in the GB-Saints game was probably more produced by being off for some time and probably not working games and repetition. Other than that based on what I saw, they did not make basic mistakes that the replacements made. It was obvious that the officials knew how to enforce penalties and difficult situations better. That was to be expected. But I totally agree that the complaining and ranting did not take place out of mostly perception. That still does not mean that some of that complaining was not warranted or brought on by the replacements and their many mistakes. You cannot blame the media because you spot the ball totally wrong or give a TB on the 5 yard line. Even in HS games those mistakes would have been glaring.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Trap

I do think there was a big difference in administration of a game, but the calls, at least from what I saw yesterday weren't much different.

Besides the actual administration of the game (which was an easily discernible difference between the two groups), the biggest difference I saw was stuff involving the passing game and the WRs vs. DBs and I think that was the area where replacements had most of their issues. From most of the games I saw yesterday, the regulars were head and shoulders more consistent in this area. That's not to say there were a few head scratchers even with the regular officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Besides the actual administration of the game (which was an easily discernible difference between the two groups), the biggest difference I saw was stuff involving the passing game and the WRs vs. DBs and I think that was the area where replacements had most of their issues. From most of the games I saw yesterday, the regulars were head and shoulders more consistent in this area. That's not to say there were a few head scratchers even with the regular officials.

This is the most subjective call in the game anyway and most scrutinized and misunderstood. So I am not at all surprised that some calls would be for debate, because they are up for debate normally. But the calls I saw were mostly there and TV often does not show many angles to give the bigger picture because they are so concerned with spot shadowing two players. Remember the officials see actually a bigger picture than most TV shows and that is why often those plays might not look as good to everyone.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Manny A

It would have been interesting to hear the press conferences and read the tweets if GB hadn't come back to win that one.

Green Bay was ahead when that happened so they would've had to have screwed up and given up the lead.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Trap

I do think there was a big difference in adminstration of a game, but the calls, at least from what I saw yesterday weren't much different.

You're right and it was not an insignificant difference. It was quite noticeable, especially in the 49er / Jets game. The regulars were back and you could tell because some of the things they caught the 49ers on would've probably been passed on the previous weeks.