Dead Ball foul or Roughing or neither

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Here's what I'm saying in a nutshell.

The contact was obviously WAY after the whistle

How do you figure that from what's been written here?

If it was obviously way after the whistle, then it makes no difference what kind of play it might've been had the ball been live; it's a personal foul, UR, possibly disqualifying. You might have 2 dead ball fouls penalized in order: delay of game on the kicker, then the personal foul.

There are times, when (for whatever reason) it is not clear to the player that the play is dead (like in this case, the whistle was late or weak), the excuse is made that a foul shouldn't be one because he didn't know the play was dead and whatever he did would have been okay if the play was not dead.

In this case, even THAT argument can not be made, because what he did would have been a foul even if the ball had been live.

But sports officiating doesn't work like law court, with choice of defenses. You're not allowed to stipulate stuff, handle legs of contingency separately.