BYU-Utah end of game

[mtridge]

What would you have if this happened in HS. The rule book says you do not extend by an untimed down for non contact and unsportsmanlike foul?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mtridge

What would you have if this happened in HS. The rule book says you do not extend by an untimed down for non contact and unsportsmanlike foul?

IP is not unsportsmanlike. You would definitely extend the period if the offense was prevented from scoring because of IP (if not ... hey, why not just put 46 people out there on the final play of a game)

[maven]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

IP is not unsportsmanlike.

You're flagging fans for IP? 9-6-3 & 4 mention only team personnel, and every other provision seems to refer to players, substitutes, and replaced players.

I don't think I'd want an untimed down for fans rushing the field, whether we have a flag or no. I think I'd want to put time back on the clock (if it's running) and resume from there. 1-1-6

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by maven

You're flagging fans for IP? 9-6-3 & 4 mention only team personnel, and every other provision seems to refer to players, substitutes, and replaced players.

I don't think I'd want an untimed down for fans rushing the field, whether we have a flag or no. I think I'd want to put time back on the clock (if it's running) and resume from there. 1-1-6

Just curious - what would you call if for whatever reason, during normal play, a fan (or hundreds of them) interfered with a play?

Also, the players were on the field too. They didn't just stand aside and let the fans by - they ran out to celebrate when the kick was blocked, but the play was still going.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by maven

Well, if team personnel are on the field that makes it easy, right? IP is the way to go and solves your clock problem to boot.

As for what I would call: do we have a good general answer here? Some cases might call for UNS (Stanford band?), others for just clearing the field and trying to finish the game. I suppose a worst-case scenario would be one with inadequate security and potential violence, where you'd just suspend the thing and let the state sort it out.

But if we're just calling Unsportsmanlike, then like you said, there's no untimed down.

Let's be more specific than.

Say there is 1 second on the clock when the play begins. The offense down by 6 throws a pass deep to a receiver that somehow became clearly wide open, and he's likely, but not sure to score, but someone in the band or on the sideline (not a coach or player) actively prevents the ball from being caught at the 25 yard line.

USC? IP? With no time left on the clock, it obviously matters.

[maven]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

USC? IP? With no time left on the clock, it obviously matters.

I agree that it matters, and I don't think we have much of a substantial disagreement about what should happen next.

I can't see flagging IP with no rules justification for doing so. It might be that USC or some penalty is in order. But I'd use 1-1-6 to justify extending the game with or without a flag.

I don't think 1-1-6 is license to change definitions: you wouldn't flag a band member for DPI if he contacted a receiver while the ball was in the air, right? So why flag him for IP?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by maven

I agree that it matters, and I don't think we have much of a substantial disagreement about what should happen next.

I can't see flagging IP with no rules justification for doing so. It might be that USC or some penalty is in order. But I'd use 1-1-6 to justify extending the game with or without a flag.

I don't think 1-1-6 is license to change definitions: you wouldn't flag a band member for DPI if he contacted a receiver while the ball was in the air, right? So why flag him for IP?

Fare enough - I sea your point.

[Robert Goodman]

In Fed there are actually at least 2 provisions that seem to apply.

9-8-2 concludes: "In no other case, except as in 2-6, shall any nonplayer other than an entering substitute enter without the referee’s permission."

And then there's 9-9-1. It could be argued that an innocent act by someone who doesn't know what's going on isn't "unfair", but if it works to someone's disadvantage in the game, I think it must be considered so.

[bkdow]

What if you had some official IAW while the ball was loose?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

In Fed there are actually at least 2 provisions that seem to apply.

9-8-2 concludes: "In no other case, except as in 2-6, shall any nonplayer other than an entering substitute enter without the referee’s permission."

And then there's 9-9-1. It could be argued that an innocent act by someone who doesn't know what's going on isn't "unfair", but if it works to someone's disadvantage in the game, I think it must be considered so.

I would use the elastic clause granted me in the "unfair act" section of the rulebook and make things as right as I could. BTW, Mike Pereira said virtually the same thing on his Twitter feed.

[Welpe]

Same here.

[maven]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

You don't think their has to be? Is'nt it only fare to have one?

No, not if we're putting time back on the clock. You want to put time back on AND have 1 untimed?