short kick

[maven]

Can you rephrase it in terms of K and R? It sounds as if K was blocked off the kick, R recovered it, and yet you awarded it to K with no flag. Is that what happened?

[drwells1]

okay K kicks to R, ball only goes 8 yds. , as R bends down to pick up the ball K makes contact with R knocking R down. K picks up the ball and is subsequently tackled. After discussion R is awarded ball at where it was first touched. I think that there should have been a penalty on K. Let me know what you think and if you think there should have been a penalty what should have been called and how many yds. Sorry if this is not clear enough but I am new to football officiating and am trying to learn

[maven]

Sounds like a scrimmage kick rather than a free kick.

Once the kick is grounded, you can't have KCI (6-5-6). The covering official must judge whether the contact with R was a PF, and if so should flag that. Probably it was nothing: K may legally block R during the kick.

If K is first to touch the kick, then it's first touching at that spot. Since there were no fouls on the play, R will have the option to take the ball at the spot of first touching or at the end of the kick (6-2-5).

Usually, no choice is offered: the crew will spot the ball at the most advantageous spot, set the chains, RFP and away we go!

[Adam]

I read this as free kick. In that case, it's a foul.
10 yards from the previous spot, re-kick.

9-3-8 (NFHS)

[Reffing Rev.]

Or if R did not touch the ball and K did before the ball went 10 yards R could decline the penalty and take the ball at the spot of 1st touching.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

Or if R did not touch the ball and K did before the ball went 10 yards R could decline the penalty and take the ball at the spot of 1st touching.

Missed that. Thanks.