snap over punters head----safety?

[maven]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There is no foul. You can't have IG on a backwards pass. Legal play.

This statement is correct for NFHS rules. It's a fair assumption that the OP was using NFHS rules, but only an assumption. So it's worth recognizing that under other rules, a backwards pass CAN be IG.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by maven

This statement is correct for NFHS rules. It's a fair assumption that the OP was using NFHS rules, but only an assumption. So it's worth recognizing that under other rules, a backwards pass CAN be IG.

#1, the play occurred on a Friday night in Georgia. I don't think it's much of an assumption that this game was played under NFHS rules.

#2, I'm dying to know under what rules can intentional grounding be called on a backwards pass?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

#1, the play occurred on a Friday night in Georgia. I don't think it's much of an assumption that this game was played under NFHS rules.

#2, I'm dying to know under what rules can intentional grounding be called on a backwards pass?

#2 - In NCAA a backwards pass thrown out of bounds to conserve time is a foul. 5 yards spot of foul, loss of down.

It's not really called intentional grounding in the book, although it is enforced as such.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Rich

#2 - In NCAA a backwards pass thrown out of bounds to conserve time is a foul. 5 yards spot of foul, loss of down.

It's not really called intentional grounding in the book, although it is enforced as such.

Yep, I'm aware of that.

But the punter in Wolverine's play who threw the ball out of the back of the end zone wasn't doing so to conserve time.

So I'm waiting to find out what rules code is used in a Friday night football game in Georgia that says this play is intentional grounding.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yep, I'm aware of that.

But the punter in Wolverine's play who threw the ball out of the back of the end zone wasn't doing so to conserve time.

So I'm waiting to find out what rules code is used in a Friday night football game in Georgia that says this play is intentional grounding.

I never said it was. Clearly, the officials in that game were a bit rule-challenged.

[maven]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

#1, the play occurred on a Friday night in Georgia. I don't think it's much of an assumption that this game was played under NFHS rules.

#2, I'm dying to know under what rules can intentional grounding be called on a backwards pass?

1. The OP didn't state the rule set, so it's an assumption. Good, fair, or "not much" of an assumption if you like.

2. NCAA A.R. 3-4-3 III: throwing a backwards pass out of bounds in order to conserve time is penalized as IG (even though not technically defined as IG).

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by maven

1. The OP didn't state the rule set, so it's an assumption. Good, fair, or "not much" of an assumption if you like.

2. NCAA A.R. 3-4-3 III: throwing a backwards pass out of bounds in order to conserve time is penalized as IG (even though not technically defined as IG).

Maven, you wrote:

Originally Posted by maven

2. I'd have to know more to assess whether that's a good IG call. If the passer was in the field of play when he committed the foul, the penalty is not a safety, though the result of the play is. If that was the case, your options should have been: accept (half the distance from the spot of the foul, LOD), or decline (safety). OTOH, if the foul occurred in the EZ, again you'd have an option between a safety or a safety.

Under no rule set would IG be the appropriate call. The play is perfectly legal under NFHS, NCAA and NFL rules.

Originally Posted by Rich

I never said it was. Clearly, the officials in that game were a bit rule-challenged.

I didn't say you did.

I was referring to the poster above.

[maven]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Under no rule set would IG be the appropriate call. The play is perfectly legal under NFHS, NCAA and NFL rules.

Fair enough: you're correct that the IG call in the OP was bad. I knew that NCAA had a provision prohibiting a backwards pass in some situations, and mistakenly thought that might apply here.

The remainder of my post concerning enforcement was correct, as you omitted to point out.