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snap over punters head----safety?
We had a situation the other night where the snap went over the punters head and into the endzone. What would be the ruling on each of these plays? By the way I am a coach wanting to make sure our punter handles this situation correctly.
a) punter kicks the ball out of the back of the endzone b) punter scoops or bats the ball out of the back of the endzone c) punter grabs the ball and throws or tosses the ball out of the back of the endzone. What would be the call on each? Is there any other situation that would cause us to be penalized in this situation. Thanks a bunch. |
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We got into the discussion that there might be a penalty if our punter grabbed the ball and threw it out of the end zone. I do not know the rule so that is why I am here. Could that be a possibility of HOW the punter got the ball out of the endzone to take a safety where it might be a penalty.
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Last year, I witnessed scenario a) in an NCAA D3 game. The referee threw the flag for the illegal kick, which on that play didn't matter because the end result was the same...safety.
The only reason I mention it is because I would think that if the defense were to be penalized during the down as well, the illegal kick would have created an offsetting penalty situation instead of yardage (and possibly a first down) for the kicking team. |
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1. A forced the ball across the goal line (the snap), and 2. The ball subsequently became dead in the EZ (never reentered the field of play). The fact that some of the causes of 2 might also be fouls in the EZ is a redundant cause of a safety.
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It's only Canadian football where it comes out different in case a, but not as a result of a penalty since it's not illegal. However, it leaves the other team with options so you'd be better off there by killing the ball in your possession or throwing it out.
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Under NCAA rules, all 3 result in a safety. Technically, A and B are illegal and should be flagged, however, the result of the penalty is the same.
The interesting thing is that these fouls have loss of down penalties. So if they occurred on the 1 yard line rather than the end zone on 4th down, Team B could accept the penalty rather than the safety and put the ball in play. This is why the flag needs to be thrown -- to illustrate the foul occurred in the end zone rather than the field of play, in case its close. On the other hand, don't give the defense a cheap 1 yard line possession. If you can put this in the end zone and give them a safety, do so. If it happens at the 4, there's nothing you can do other than put the flag there. |
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There's no penalty for illegal [action], which means if B commits a foul, then A gets the option to accept the foul and possibly keep the ball, or at least replay the down without snapping the ball over the kicker's head.
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Also, your first post suggests you want the punter to throw the ball away, so A is fouling and B would have an "option."
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He's proposing that while b) is still a safety, it is not a penalty which would afford A an opportunity to replay the down if B fouled during it. I don't know if he's correct in his assessment of the result or not. |
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Snap over punters head... safety
This actually happened TWICE in our game last night in Georgia.
First play: Snap over punters head. Punter kicks ball out of the EZ from the 3 yd line. Flag on play for illegal kicking. Result: Safety with no option to decline penalty. Second Play: Snap over punters head. Punter scoops ball at the 2 yd line and throws out of the back of the EZ with his plant foot inside the one. Flag on play for intentional grounding. Result: Safety... again with no option to decline penalty. Were these calls correct? |
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