NFL's First Female Official - Chargers vs Pack, 9 Aug

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

However, I think that judgment is biased. I think the replacements performed well enough that the NFLRA should be nervous. If anything, this week will convince the NFL they don't need the NFLRA. The replacements are only going to get better.

The NFL has already told the ones on strike that it will never get back to the point of "entitlement" but instead it will now be about "accountability". This came from the supervisor of NFL officials. What he stated was that seeing how these current officials are it has opened up some ideas where if an official isn't performing up to standards they could then use some of the replacements as "bench officials". In short, if the ones on strike ever come back, we have someone on standby to replace you if you screw up. As already mentioned, these guys will get better each week. If the lockout doesn't get resolved in the next 3 weeks, they may as well keep the replacements all season. Resume bargaining in the offseason.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

The NFL has already told the ones on strike that it will never get back to the point of "entitlement" but instead it will now be about "accountability". This came from the supervisor of NFL officials. What he stated was that seeing how these current officials are it has opened up some ideas where if an official isn't performing up to standards they could then use some of the replacements as "bench officials". In short, if the ones on strike ever come back, we have someone on standby to replace you if you screw up. As already mentioned, these guys will get better each week. If the lockout doesn't get resolved in the next 3 weeks, they may as well keep the replacements all season. Resume bargaining in the offseason.

That all sounds nice, but they are a bad weekend or call away from outrage. The general public and media is not on the NFL's side with this issue and constantly highlighting the inadequacy of the officials. Just look out the media overreacts when the regular officials do something they do not like? You think the public is going to be like, "Let these guys stay." I honestly do not think so. And these officials are not even close to what would be the replacements if the regulars were to not grade out properly. I know of a few personally that could not work D3 ball on a regular basis and struggled to work a decent high school schedule that are working these NFL games.

Peace

[JasonTX]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That all sounds nice, but they are a bad weekend or call away from outrage. The general public and media is not on the NFL's side with this issue and constantly highlighting the inadequacy of the officials. Just look out the media overreacts when the regular officials do something they do not like? You think the public is going to be like, "Let these guys stay." I honestly do not think so. And these officials are not even close to what would be the replacements if the regulars were to not grade out properly. I know of a few personally that could not work D3 ball on a regular basis and struggled to work a decent high school schedule that are working these NFL games.

Peace

Not trying to argue here, just remembering how in years past how the general public has wanted to hang the crews that "caused their team to lose" and that the NFL should "fire" all the officials and start over. Now that their wishes are partially coming true for the moment we'll see how they like it. Their are mixed opinions on all the fan boards. Some are welcoming the "new blood".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JasonTX

Not trying to argue here, just remembering how in years past how the general public has wanted to hang the crews that "caused their team to lose" and that the NFL should "fire" all the officials and start over. Now that their wishes are partially coming true for the moment we'll see how they like it. Their are mixed opinions on all the fan boards. Some are welcoming the "new blood".

That is fine that they want new blood and I am not saying that fans love officials. But the mistakes that are made are often procedural rather than judgment. Not many times did NFL officials not enforce a penalty from the proper spot. Or award timeouts that were not there. Or the ball is put in the wrong spot by several yards. Those are different than missing a PI or not calling a holding here or there. Heck this weekend the officials picked up a flag on a clear BIB. We all make mistakes and if you saw my game this weekend we had a doozy, but my situation was not on national TV either.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is fine that they want new blood and I am not saying that fans love officials. But the mistakes that are made are often procedural rather than judgment. Not many times did NFL officials not enforce a penalty from the proper spot. Or award timeouts that were not there. Or the ball is put in the wrong spot by several yards. Those are different than missing a PI or not calling a holding here or there. Heck this weekend the officials picked up a flag on a clear BIB. We all make mistakes and if you saw my game this weekend we had a doozy, but my situation was not on national TV either.

Peace

I think that's why the NFLRA is in trouble here. They aren't making many judgment errors. Procedural errors will go away far faster than judgment errors. I think the NFLRA is within a week or two of being replaced permanently.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I think that's why the NFLRA is in trouble here. They aren't making many judgment errors. Procedural errors will go away far faster than judgment errors. I think the NFLRA is within a week or two of being replaced permanently.

I definitely wouldn't say a week or two. However, I would say if this goes to a half-season, then things may change away from the RA's favour.

[Texas Aggie]

A week or two is way too soon, but if things go pretty much like they did this past weekend, the NFL is not going to be in a hurry to renegotiate, unlike what many have predicted.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I think that's why the NFLRA is in trouble here. They aren't making many judgment errors. Procedural errors will go away far faster than judgment errors. I think the NFLRA is within a week or two of being replaced permanently.

Well there were more PI calls in this past week than the first weeks of the last two years. Some were totally considered wrong or had no contact. And that flag on the BIB a bad pick up even at the college ranks. And football is mostly procedural anyway. This is not a sport with all judgments. We make judgments and we have to get the other things right. And they are not going to replace the current guys with these guys, even in the worst case scenario. Do not fool yourself, this is not MLB or that situation.

Peace

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And they are not going to replace the current guys with these guys, even in the worst case scenario. Do not fool yourself, this is not MLB or that situation.

See: PATCO strike, 1981.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

... They aren't making many judgment errors...

Not what this idiot thinks......

Here Are The 21 Worst Replacement Referee Mistakes From Sunday

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by Andy

Not what this idiot thinks......

Here Are The 21 Worst Replacement Referee Mistakes From Sunday

Whoever edits the side panel of those examples has a pretty good sense of humor. I was laughing at quite a few...whether this guy knew what he was writing about or not.

I was at the Packers/Niners game and saw the helmet toss by Smith after he had it part way removed by Rodgers' cleats from my seat...and then watched it at home on the DVR probably a dozen times. He took the helmet off the remaining 3/4's of the way and tossed it with both hands. Clear show boating. There was nothing wrong with that call....and that was exactly why that was made an infraction in the first place. Pull your damn helmet back down onto your head and play football.

Which leads me to another train of thought. If the NFL is really dead serious about the concussion issues and head safety in the game, why is it not mandated top to bottom for every player on the field to have all 4 points (2 for those with 2) of their chin strap fastened? Neon Deion started it and it still hasn't gone away.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Andy

Not what this idiot thinks......

Here Are The 21 Worst Replacement Referee Mistakes From Sunday

4 of those are bad. Most are the rest are judgement on borderline plays. A couple are embarrasing or dumb, but not egregious.

[jchamp]

Originally Posted by Andy

Not what this idiot thinks......

Here Are The 21 Worst Replacement Referee Mistakes From Sunday

1. Right on the incomplete pass/fumble border. That the player was hurt, is what we call "playing football". You take your risks.

2. I can agree. B player runs right over A player in the end zone.

3. Looks like a good offsides call to me.

4. I can agree from my angle, but I also see where the game-speed hit would look illegal.

5. Legitimate complaint, but hardly worth getting upset over.

6. I can't tell if the player returned with just this camera angle. You need to look down the LOS to know.

7. The author mis-describes the play, but he is right that it shouldn't take 6 minutes to decide if the play can be challenged.

8. If it wasn't corrected, this would be pretty bad in the game management category. I didn't see the game, but I hope they fixed their error.

9. I can't tell with certainty from this angle if he was offsides. It's also poor management from the QB to take risks if you don't see a flag thrown.

10. I can see where the covering official would see that as a hook by the B player, and possibly playing through A's head.

11. DPI looks like a push at full-speed. I may have called it, too.

12. Legitimate. Looks like this crew wasn't used to the scrutiny that 1080p cameras will bring to your spots.

13. I'm not read up on the OPI rules for passes that don't travel beyond the neutral zone in NFL. They could be correct, but I'll have to reserve judgment. It is a low block, also, which may be a foul.

14. The lineman IS 2 yards past the LOS. The U was slow to move into position and stops about a foot in front of the position the lineman stops at, meaning they could both think everything is fine.

15. Yeah, bad. Correct number, wrong color. (IBB called on SF, was GB)

16. Doesn't even seem like the kind of play they want you to call the USC on.

17. I don't know who DPI went against, but I can see charging it to B31.

18. I'll buy that false start. I wish the author would show us the other three. If they're not just as convincing, I'd shut my pie-hole.

19. Should A have to wait for U to set up when they can't see him? But the B player on the field should have been caught.

20. Game management issue. There is a booth crew to charge this one too, as well.

21. Another game management issue that shouldn't have happened.

So is the NFL going to provide some more remedial training, or are they simply going to let all their fans sulk all year long?

They're a lot better than I would be if they had called me up in July with a "Guess what?"

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I think that's why the NFLRA is in trouble here. They aren't making many judgment errors. Procedural errors will go away far faster than judgment errors. I think the NFLRA is within a week or two of being replaced permanently.

Not unless the union de-certifies itself.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Not unless the union de-certifies itself.

Okay, yes technically an employer cannot fire workers whom they've locked out. Rather, the NFL will not have to make any compromises at all to get a new agreement.