Substitution play

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Berkut

I really don't understand why there is always a question about whether plays of this type are legal.

There's no reason to ask in advance, because you know what your own intention is when you're planning it, and so does anyone else if you ask them about it. However, there is sometimes reason to ask after you've seen it done by someone else, "Was that legal?", because you may not know whether they were attempting to feign a substitution.

[chymechowder]

i'm not trying to legitimize hide out plays, and I realize that you have to be there to ascertain whether this was an attempt at deception, BUT:

Could this not be consistent with a qb gesturing to a teammate that he's in the wrong spot? If a back lines up behind the QB and the qb gestures as if to say: No, you don't line up here. You're supposed to be split wide.

all i'm saying is there's a difference between the QB or coaches yelling, "Hey get off the field, you're not in this play!" and a (potentially innocuous) gesture meant to indicate that a player should line up somewhere else.

[PSU213]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

i'm not trying to legitimize hide out plays, and I realize that you have to be there to ascertain whether this was an attempt at deception, BUT:

Could this not be consistent with a qb gesturing to a teammate that he's in the wrong spot? If a back lines up behind the QB and the qb gestures as if to say: No, you don't line up here. You're supposed to be split wide.

all i'm saying is there's a difference between the QB or coaches yelling, "Hey get off the field, you're not in this play!" and a (potentially innocuous) gesture meant to indicate that a player should line up somewhere else.

Sorry, but those 2 things are not the same. In the play the OP descibes, it is a type of play that is specifially forbidden by the rules. In the latter, their are no substitution/participation issues. The former cannot be viewed in any way other that an attempt to illegaly deceive/cheat. For the latter, perhaps the gesture was not innocent, but it impossible for us to judge.

[voiceoflg]

After long last, I have the video, but this is from a different game.

[HLin NC]

I don't quite understand, you say you have the video but this isn't the game. Same team, same type of play, ????

The video play you linked should have even flagged. The used a sub situation to deceive.

[JugglingReferee]

[JugglingReferee]

I applaud the player for acknowledging God, but unfortunately, this is an illegal tactic in Canadian ball. I can only hope it's illegal in the US as well.

[CT1]

This video isn't close to your OP; however, it's illegal -- using a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive.