Roughing the kicker rules

[TXMike]

Part of the problem is you misunderstand the rule. There is no requirement that there be a "safety" issue unless you are calling roughing. Running into does not require that. It just requires the kicker be displaced. In the Eagles-Bucs game, if you are referring to Gramatica's acting, that was clearly him trying to draw a foul. Yes he was run into but the defender tried to prevent him from being displaced by holding him up. Gramatica fought to get loose so he could then flop.

[Derock1986]

Originally posted by TXMike
Part of the problem is you misunderstand the rule. There is no requirement that there be a "safety" issue unless you are calling roughing. Running into does not require that. It just requires the kicker be displaced. In the Eagles-Bucs game, if you are referring to Gramatica's acting, that was clearly him trying to draw a foul. Yes he was run into but the defender tried to prevent him from being displaced by holding him up. Gramatica fought to get loose so he could then flop.

If he was run into then it should have been a foul. If it wasn't a foul in the Eagles-Bucs game, then it should not have been a foul in the Steelers-Titans game. Both kickers were run into; both kickers were displaced (displaced being contact moved them from their spot). Nedney made himself fall to the ground while Gramatica tried to fall to the ground but was held up by the defender who ran into him!!!



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[KWH]

Originally posted by Derock1986
In my opinion, the Steelers-Titans call by Blum was a bad call because contact was slight and did not present a safety issue for the kicker (again, my opinion).

In the likely event you missed the earlier post,

NFL Rules - Page 80
Rule 12, Section 2, Article 6, Supplemental Note (2)
Any contact with the kicker by a single defensive player who has not touched the kick is RUNNING INTO THE KICKER.

It's a "Rulebook Call" Derock, which is why you will never understand or be able to grasp the concept!

Nuff said!

[Derock1986]

Originally posted by KWH

In the likely event you missed the earlier post,

NFL Rules - Page 80
Rule 12, Section 2, Article 6, Supplemental Note (2)
Any contact with the kicker by a single defensive player who has not touched the kick is RUNNING INTO THE KICKER.

It's a "Rulebook Call" Derock, which is why you will never understand or be able to grasp the concept!

Nuff said!

OK KWH, I grasp the concept. But now what I don't understand is why this same concept doesn't apply to the Eagles-Bucs game when the defender ran into the kicker. Will you please explain that one?


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But I'm only a youth official so what do I know.
Derock

[mikesears]

Originally posted by Derock1986

OK KWH, I grasp the concept. But now what I don't understand is why this same concept doesn't apply to the Eagles-Bucs game when the defender ran into the kicker. Will you please explain that one?

Because both officials were using good game sense and good judgment

[Poosh]

Just my two cents. It makes total sense to me. The first instance there was an extra step or two by the defensive player and collided with the kicker. The kicker did act but there was contact and it was not "avoided" by the defensive player.

On the second one. There was shown intent to stop his forward movement and protect the kicker. the kicker actually moved to free himself from the help of the defense to keep him up and flopped.

That's what I saw and with my knowledge at this time that is the way I would have called it.

[Derock1986]

Originally posted by Poosh
Just my two cents. It makes total sense to me. The first instance there was an extra step or two by the defensive player and collided with the kicker. The kicker did act but there was contact and it was not "avoided" by the defensive player.

On the second one. There was shown intent to stop his forward movement and protect the kicker. the kicker actually moved to free himself from the help of the defense to keep him up and flopped.

That's what I saw and with my knowledge at this time that is the way I would have called it.

The only thing that is relevant in these two calls is the defensive player collided with the kicker. The collision is what prompted the call in the first situation and it should have been the same in the second. The fact that the defender held him up to prevent him from falling should have no impact on the call than Nedney's act.


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[TXMike]

In your view of life, football and officiating...you are correct. Enjoy the rarified air up there???